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Caliman73

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22. Are you sure?

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:31 AM

Jul 2019

Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War for 5 years to win the presidency. Sabotaged peace talks that were ongoing and at least according to Johnson, going pretty well.

Reagan went behind the back of the Carter Administration and negotiated an arms for hostage deal with Iran. It was illegal to sell arms to Iran by that time (remember Iran-Contra?) but Reagan did it so that the Iranians would not release the hostages until Carter was out of office. He kept Americans in captivity for another year just to weaken his political opponent.

So, yes, you are technically correct that Nixon and Reagan wouldn't sell our country to Russia for a few bucks. They were crazy anti-communist, but they did sell out the country to other foreign powers to gain the presidency. So I will ask again.

Are you sure?

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"president of the south" - That's actually pretty funny. keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #35

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Neither Nixon nor Reagan (both of whom I detest) bdjhawk Jul 2019 #19

Are you sure? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #22

I understand the sentiment, but no. Caliman73 Jul 2019 #20

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Quibble... Caliman73 Jul 2019 #23

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The Veeps (Ford, GHWB, were not worse) crazytown Jul 2019 #37