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NewJeffCT

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45. Impeaching investigations and hearings

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:38 PM

Jul 2019

will amount to a lot of court battles over witnesses testifying and then taking the 5th.

Watergate had a lot of high profile hearings, a lot of indictments and jail terms and the resignation of Richard Nixon

IranContra was worse than Watergate, but involved a ton of Republican stonewalling and high profile witnesses (Ollie North) taking the 5th. With the Bush pardons as he was leaving office, the Iran Contra investigation was effectively killed.

Republicans are following option two - it worked for Barr back then, and he's trying the same playbook now.

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Dear Nancy, You have Your IRONCLAD Case. Trump is an Unindicted Co-Conspirator [View all] berni_mccoy Jul 2019 OP

If and when impeachment is best I trust Nancy Pelosi to act Cary Jul 2019 #1

In otherwords, never. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #2

I understand your cynicism but I won't share it Cary Jul 2019 #5

We'll know soon enough. It doesn't get more ironclad than this. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #6

What are the longer term, more practical considerations? Cary Jul 2019 #8

Right, pragmatism over morality. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #11

Wrong Cary Jul 2019 #16

It's already the case that he won't be. There were cross-overs in both berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #18

+1000 brutus smith Jul 2019 #28

Come on Bernie Cary Jul 2019 #36

stop with that false dichotomy Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #26

My comment wasn't a false dichotomy Cary Jul 2019 #35

Grasswire, above, is correct: DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #56

If the Senate acquits Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #48

The media has been reporting on Trump's wrongdoing for two years " StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #63

Distrust of the media. Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #64

"You can't argue with or spin sworn testimony" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #74

Okay, idiots can. Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #82

The Watergate hearings weren't impeachment hearings StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #85

I didn't say they were. Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #88

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #84

Trump was accused of rape three weeks ago and it's already been forgotten StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #22

Good question Cary Jul 2019 #42

The practical path is to impeach Trump ASAP PufPuf23 Jul 2019 #68

hush money ??? stopdiggin Jul 2019 #54

THIS. I agree with THIS. At long last the time has come. slumcamper Jul 2019 #72

I apologize if this point has already been made down-thread ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #89

Actually, there was a discussion of this on Rachel not long ago berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #90

I stand by my post ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #91

Well those crimes are under consideration by the judicial committee. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #92

Fair enough. ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #93

That's good to hear. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #94

You don't know that!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #38

There is a lot that I don't know but I do know how to make a reasonably objective argument Cary Jul 2019 #41

In other words DownriverDem Jul 2019 #66

I would love to see impeachment but my sentiments are not the priority Cary Jul 2019 #4

"Sentiments"?!? There are many reasons most Democrats are for impeachment. Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #65

Where is DownriverDem Jul 2019 #69

I respect your opinion therefore I would not say you shouldn't be "clouded by your own views". Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #73

Why do you speak as though I asked for approval? Cary Jul 2019 #79

Approval? Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #80

Agree! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #37

And Hope Hicks lied? Pachamama Jul 2019 #3

Can't impeach without the Senate. democratisphere Jul 2019 #7

Yes you can. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #10

Mitch will go to his grave before he would hold a trial in the Senate. democratisphere Jul 2019 #15

He cannot block a trial of Impeachment. It is managed by the Chief Justice. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #19

No, it's not "managed" by the Chief Justice. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #24

Wrong. The Vice President Presides over Congress with the exception of Impeachment of the President berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #31

You really know too little about this to direct anyone to "read the Constitution" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #59

Chief Justice unless he changes Senate rules JCMach1 Jul 2019 #81

Rethuglicons will always vindicate drumpf. democratisphere Jul 2019 #25

Impeaching investigations and hearings NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #45

We're not worried about the Republicans. They're a lost cause. trev Jul 2019 #55

Yes! And the house could .., Kindnesscostszero Jul 2019 #46

Yes. Timing. trev Jul 2019 #57

Reducing impeachment to a partisan food fight Cary Jul 2019 #12

Those who won't convict will prove they have no morals. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #14

Hey Berni Cary Jul 2019 #50

Why blow the sure thing of indicting drumpf for all of his crimes democratisphere Jul 2019 #17

Indeed Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #39

Yes, indeed. Cary Jul 2019 #51

Like the Clinton impeachment? NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #43

I think so Cary Jul 2019 #52

That worked out pretty well politically for Republicans berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #75

This is false, don't need Senate to hurt Red Don politically uponit7771 Jul 2019 #21

Read reply #25 of this thread. democratisphere Jul 2019 #27

we cannot rely on a clean and secure election. Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #29

We need to double down on the protection of our 2020 elections. democratisphere Jul 2019 #30

What is ironclad, in your opinion? ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #9

Wrong question. What is ironclad in Nancy's opinion? berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #13

"What is ironclad in Nancy's opinion?" The math quite possibly. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #32

WWPSD BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #34

time for another trip up Dry Powder Mountain 0rganism Jul 2019 #20

Dry Powder Mountain berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #23

If not now, when? brutus smith Jul 2019 #33

Leadership needs to LEAD, not wait and follow public opinion Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #40

OK, Nancy... world wide wally Jul 2019 #44

K&R LW1977 Jul 2019 #47

Why are people saying the House should not impeach because the Senate won't convict? Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #49

OFF THE TABLE FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #53

We had an impeachment vote in the House yesterday. It failed with just 95 votes in favor. Midnight Writer Jul 2019 #58

Al Green's resolution was only based on Trump's comments about the congresswomen. CaptainTruth Jul 2019 #62

I support voting on an impeachment inquiry shortly after Mueller testifies. CaptainTruth Jul 2019 #60

DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #61

Where are the 20 GOP Senate votes for removal? Gothmog Jul 2019 #67

Is yesterday's vote failure on impeachment by the House not instructive? elias7 Jul 2019 #70

Not a valid scenario. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #71

I see. elias7 Jul 2019 #76

That stuff has already been drawn up in articles of impeachment and referred to committee berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #77

Pelosi "instructed caucus to table"? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #86

Being "under inquiry" does not take away Pardon power. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #78

Rachel is covering this. berni_mccoy Jul 2019 #83

I fear we have missed that boat and it says some very bad things about the jimlup Jul 2019 #87