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167. There will be no real trial in the senate

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Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:02 PM

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"In this instance, Pelosi's normally acute political judgment is failing her.." [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 OP

Look at the numbers. Almost 60% of the country is opposed to impeachment redstateblues Jul 2019 #1

Self fullfilling prophecy worked. We don't stand up Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #5

EXACTLY... could not have said it better!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #190

Gotta love the du prognosticators who always know the future Fullduplexxx Jul 2019 #13

How much do you think that might be due to group psychology? ChicagoRonin Jul 2019 #16

Justin Amish has done that. The result? Crickets redstateblues Jul 2019 #33

Justin Amash is a hero to me, watoos Jul 2019 #54

I admire his decision. In 1974 the Democrats controlled the House 56-42 as well as the House redstateblues Jul 2019 #91

Now you're talkin'!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #191

Those numbers are good!! Nixon was around that right after Saturday night Massacre uponit7771 Jul 2019 #47

We need new leadership. In retrospect, we have for a while now. Forty-plus years of one step KPN Jul 2019 #119

Agree. But Biden is the highest in matchups..our only Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #163

True, but "the public" pressured Republicans then. And this president's followers are, unlike emmaverybo Jul 2019 #143

The public is pressuring democrats now, the polling numbers aren't that far off. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #158

Impeachment is not a popular option with American people stopdiggin Jul 2019 #51

Whether or not to impeach has nothing to do with polls. watoos Jul 2019 #55

Sad that so many do not feel this way. faymer7 Jul 2019 #68

Until most consituents do, it will not be the choice of the majority. ehrnst Jul 2019 #97

Sadly. The "investigations" have already produced justification for moving forward. KPN Jul 2019 #122

"Investigations" - are you implying that they are not 'really' investigations? ehrnst Jul 2019 #125

The Mueller Report. Haven't read it in its entirety yet, but enough to say there is clear evidence KPN Jul 2019 #137

Well, seeing as I'm not the target audience, as are you - unless you are a ehrnst Jul 2019 #164

Ah, well ... I wish I could convince you otherwise. KPN Jul 2019 #169

Agree with you completely!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #180

Majority not needed for impeachment, wasn't needed for Nixon ... I do agree on investigations uponit7771 Jul 2019 #160

It's a political process and decision, not a criminal justice/judicial one. ehrnst Jul 2019 #96

The avg polling is higher than Nixon's, I don't know where you're getting this from uponit7771 Jul 2019 #159

Leaders lead. Pelosi's punting. nt KPN Jul 2019 #118

In what way?(nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #156

Obviously this is opinion. My opinion is that she has the ability to influence others' perspectives KPN Jul 2019 #179

Why a person with a vested interest gets to decide may Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #171

I'm not sure I understand your comment. Do you mean House incumbents? KPN Jul 2019 #178

It doesn't matter - it was the same with Nixon at first. Public needs to led and thereby become ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #127

During the Nixon Era, a majority was also against impeachment. Until... Eyeball_Kid Jul 2019 #136

You mean Speaker Pelosi? ehrnst Jul 2019 #157

Thank you... yes, it is speaker Pelosi and no one has our country's interest at heart more than her Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #181

Nancy fears the exposure of evidence that will convince the nation that Trumpy is a criminal. stopdiggin Jul 2019 #177

Indeed. I have another descriptor, but it's NSFW... ehrnst Jul 2019 #196

"Nancy fears the exposure of evidence that will convince the nation that Trumpy is a criminal. " ehrnst Jul 2019 #195

I agree with you, watoos Jul 2019 #2

R's flipped those seats because they lied about the ACA and the Democrats who voted for it emulatorloo Jul 2019 #27

Then it was Democrats fault for not calling out those lies. watoos Jul 2019 #57

OMG can you hear yourself? Recursion Jul 2019 #110

Confirmation bias is a powerful need. ehrnst Jul 2019 #162

And under Speaker Pelosi, we took back the house in November. ehrnst Jul 2019 #161

Dems did call out the lies. Except R's had Koch Brothers millions to amplify those lies in 2010 emulatorloo Jul 2019 #201

How does the author know she is relying on the Clinton precedent marylandblue Jul 2019 #3

So how's the "strategy" working so far?. Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #7

Since her goal is to get Democrats elected in 2020, we won't know marylandblue Jul 2019 #11

Exactly why she shouldn't be calling the shots on Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #15

Huh? I imagine her goal includes helping win the Presidency. Why wouldn't it? marylandblue Jul 2019 #30

Decide on impeachment Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #35

Didn't Speaker Pelosi herself say, watoos Jul 2019 #58

Yes, but we didn't impeach and it seems apparent Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #77

"Apparent" for what "political reasons?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #135

Do you know it has been over 3 months since Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #151

Oh....another case of She DIDN'T DO IT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME, so IT DOESN'T COUNT!!! ehrnst Jul 2019 #153

Day after report came out April 3rd! That's when Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #154

Didn't bother to read my post before responding. ehrnst Jul 2019 #155

Yes I did E ! Reread. I sense your frustrations. Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #166

It's Speaker Pelosi.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #168

No, just a simple analyst, trained to look at every side Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #170

Get out! I'm an analyst and researcher! ehrnst Jul 2019 #192

You are a great proponent for her! Hope we Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #193

Me too. ehrnst Jul 2019 #194

I'd say keeping the House is a pretty big deal. So who would be your choice for leader redstateblues Jul 2019 #89

Of course it's important. But it shouldn't be our Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #152

she mentioned in the past NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #78

YA THINK??? Skittles Jul 2019 #4

Starting to think she is way ahead of us. That she Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #6

we don't know what her plans are Skittles Jul 2019 #8

That's because the "I trust her" proponents here say it Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #22

well, I am fed up with the "I trust her" crowd Skittles Jul 2019 #24

My sentiments exactly ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #104

yeah, and my personal opinion is that that "gang" have decided to just go along to get along anarch Jul 2019 #56

It's extraordinarily sad and frustrating if your theory Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #73

She has no way of knowing any of that, and neither do you. marylandblue Jul 2019 #14

All signs pointing that way... doesn't take a genius. nt Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #20

Whatever. I don't have a crystal ball, and I don't believe anyone else does either. marylandblue Jul 2019 #34

Ya, well maybe trump will commit some horrible Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #40

Nobody said "no big deal." It's time to wake up and recognize that impeachment is a failed concept. marylandblue Jul 2019 #45

You are absolutely wrong according to one of Trump's book authors. watoos Jul 2019 #60

I once did the equivalent of impeachment - I got a narcissist fired. marylandblue Jul 2019 #65

No one seems to have a better idea. Impeachment Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #79

why are his numbers rising? not_the_one Jul 2019 #39

His approvals are not falling because people think Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #41

Red Dawn already said there's not going to be a 2020 election he's claims he's going to cheat uponit7771 Jul 2019 #48

Run a telethon! Russia interfered and Republicans will Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #80

K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #9

From the guy who accused Senator Obama of launching the most racial base campaign grantcart Jul 2019 #10

Really? How's that going so far? Seriously. Trump Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #12

Is her goal to make him lose 1 or 2 points in the polls today, or marylandblue Jul 2019 #17

Yes...to see SOME kind of downward trajectory Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #18

BTW, he can win with 45% approval rating. Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #19

Sure. But that's just his number for today. It's been bouncing between 40 and 45% marylandblue Jul 2019 #37

Holding Speaker Pelosi responsible for the current situation is among the more foolish points grantcart Jul 2019 #25

Thank you for taking the time to think through this and write it so eloquently StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #31

Impeachment IS our only weapon at this point. It is our Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #32

I could not disagree more with your post, watoos Jul 2019 #62

Yes.. indeed thank you grantcart for your great post Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #184

Donald Trump can traffic 5 year olds on 5th avenue and not lose support uponit7771 Jul 2019 #49

+1000 Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #183

She has not taken impeachment off the table wryter2000 Jul 2019 #21

That has become ridiculous. It's been ages since Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #23

I agree, watoos Jul 2019 #63

Exactly! No urgency, no immediacy. Gives or better stated Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #70

If only we could do something, huh? watoos Jul 2019 #71

Another K & R Duppers Jul 2019 #26

"denying the reality of his transgressions"? When did that happen? CaptainTruth Jul 2019 #28

If she said she wants to see Trump in prison, watoos Jul 2019 #64

I don't give a damn what people are thinking now. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #29

I'm hoping that the comments on Stephanie Miller this morning that it's like dflprincess Jul 2019 #36

People need to tune in to Sirius watoos Jul 2019 #66

I trust Pelosi's instincts more than anyone on this board-or any pundits who have northing to lose redstateblues Jul 2019 #38

Guess there's some valor to going down with the ship Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #43

+1000 Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #185

DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #42

Impeachment hearings should have been started months ago. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #44

That would have ended them to early maximum effect is during the election uponit7771 Jul 2019 #50

Impeachment does not remove Trump from office. To say that politics is not part of a decision redstateblues Jul 2019 #87

impeachment hearings need to occur first. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #150

I honestly can not understand why loyalty to our party's establishment is more important than democrank Jul 2019 #46

I think the thread is about impeachment stopdiggin Jul 2019 #53

The vote failed because it was based on Trump's racism, watoos Jul 2019 #67

I know exactly what the vote in the House was about, thank you. stopdiggin Jul 2019 #132

Thank you! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #186

Who is displaying/demanding "loyalty to party establishment" *over* "doing what is right?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #93

Brilliantly put!!! +1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #173

I stand with Speaker Pelosi BlueMississippi Jul 2019 #52

Individual 1 has been identified, watoos Jul 2019 #72

Senate Republicans will still not cross him by voting yes. ehrnst Jul 2019 #94

The Backfire effect will likely make them more willing to get to the polls ehrnst Jul 2019 #95

Impunity is not a good thing to teach our children cynara88 Jul 2019 #59

Interesting - I never knew that the job of Speaker of the House included ehrnst Jul 2019 #84

+1000 Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #187

"Who, me?" -- Alfred E. Neuman cynara88 Jul 2019 #188

Why is there no old lady emoji here?Don't worry, it's a rhetorical ? intended to buy a little mercy. cynara88 Jul 2019 #189

You're welcome. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #199

Cynara88, you must know your claims are untrue that the Hortensis Jul 2019 #129

I beg to differ cynara88 Jul 2019 #148

There's more than one way to refuse to stand against evil, Hortensis Jul 2019 #149

Our voter power is also subject to attack cynara88 Jul 2019 #172

So, Dems suck because Trump isn't gone yet, & they all don't give a fuck, for some unknown reason. ehrnst Jul 2019 #198

Lol. "I know I ramble, but I have no self-control." Hortensis Jul 2019 #200

... where am I? cynara88 Jul 2019 #204

That last is too funny. I suspect younger family members Hortensis Jul 2019 #206

" be forced to shout it over the voices of our Dems. " ehrnst Jul 2019 #197

Another hit piece... Joe941 Jul 2019 #61

I agree Sunsky Jul 2019 #69

I stand with Speaker Pelosi Gothmog Jul 2019 #74

So, the Constitution be damned then, right? Moostache Jul 2019 #124

the best "strategy" is the ballot box stopdiggin Jul 2019 #142

Understand your point, but we will agree to disagree... Moostache Jul 2019 #145

don't discount the danger stopdiggin Jul 2019 #147

I think she knows clearly what she's doing duforsure Jul 2019 #75

I think Maxine Waters knows clearly what she's calling for, watoos Jul 2019 #76

Yes! Wonder how many are just not saying yes until Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #81

That is totally bogus, watoos Jul 2019 #82

Yes. And they were trying to get it so Mueller staff Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #85

I think that Pelosi has been selected by her peers including Rep. Waters for good reasons. ehrnst Jul 2019 #92

I trust Pelosi to know what is the best next move more than I do Sean Wilentz. ehrnst Jul 2019 #83

Yes...need more than the usual "I trust Nancy" and the Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #86

Well, that's a third straw man... "Kill the messenger" ehrnst Jul 2019 #88

Pelosi is playing 3-dimensional chess. She knows what she's doing. nt zackymilly Jul 2019 #90

We will find out tomorrow if Madame Pelosi blew it Goodheart Jul 2019 #98

"Madame's own call for impeachment would have swung the population opinion plus the political action StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #99

I wouldn't have said it otherwise. Goodheart Jul 2019 #100

On what do you base that statement? ehrnst Jul 2019 #102

I bet Pelosi wishes she had the vast powers some people impute to her. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #103

I know. She is at once "skittish and too scared to act" and "an all powerful bully ehrnst Jul 2019 #108

Yours is a false dichotomy. Goodheart Jul 2019 #111

Not really. Just read DU. Do you have that data or polls that support your claim about Pelosi ehrnst Jul 2019 #113

A few months ago, Pelosi needed to stay out of sight because so many people supposedly hated her, EffieBlack Jul 2019 #128

Like I said - I get whiplash sometimes. ehrnst Jul 2019 #130

I think that's the point EffieBlack Jul 2019 #131

"exquisitely manicured hand" melman Jul 2019 #144

History shows us that impeachment, itself, impacts public opinion. Goodheart Jul 2019 #109

So it's just a feeling you have then. ehrnst Jul 2019 #121

So, we're powerless to hold Trump accountable for his many high crimes and misdemeanors? ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #112

False dichotomy and a straw man. ehrnst Jul 2019 #120

What would be the metric for "Pelosi blowing it?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #101

If the calls for accountability abate in the wake of Mueller's testimony Goodheart Jul 2019 #106

Still not clear on what that means... ehrnst Jul 2019 #114

None of the failure of the PEOPLE would be HER doing. Hortensis Jul 2019 #116

Everyday citizens do not have that sort of power. Goodheart Jul 2019 #117

Who you seem to think have powers far beyond what they do, and they are simply ehrnst Jul 2019 #123

Don't think so. She has a lot of stars to line up, and tomorrow's Hortensis Jul 2019 #107

because Madame Speaker is SUCH a popular public figure .. stopdiggin Jul 2019 #146

Trump needs to be impeached and narrow victory for us in the 2020 Presidential race standingtall Jul 2019 #105

Yep, the long view for Democratic politicians seems to be the next election. Your scenario is KPN Jul 2019 #133

At the very least Madame Pelosi has done a really poor job establishing the POINT of these hearings. Goodheart Jul 2019 #115

Because if Pelosi says it publicly, the public that's not paying attention will suddenly start StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #134

Exactly EffieBlack Jul 2019 #138

A press conference... YES. Goodheart Jul 2019 #139

This standingtall Jul 2019 #141

No it wouldn't. Saw one quote from a Dem House Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #175

You just made their point. Doesn't know what to do Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #174

Sez who ? OnDoutside Jul 2019 #126

Impeachment without removal is a vain and useless act Gothmog Jul 2019 #140

Offset by the millions who will hear his crimes Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #165

There will be no real trial in the senate Gothmog Jul 2019 #167

That's why I like Lawrence Tribe's idea....just come up Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #176

Tribe's strategy stopdiggin Jul 2019 #182

trump will be able to claim vindication in any case and this could help him win reelection Gothmog Jul 2019 #202

Impeachment will help trump win re-election Gothmog Jul 2019 #203

Not with Lawrence Tribe's idea. Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #205

Why not? trump will still claim vindication Gothmog Jul 2019 #207

Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Have The Votes To Impeach Trump Gothmog Jul 2019 #208