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In reply to the discussion: "In this instance, Pelosi's normally acute political judgment is failing her.." [View all]Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Same here. Stream of consciousness triggered. I agree with so much of what you say about weaknesses in the electorate. How can anyone here not?
Regarding a candidate who can beat Trump, don't let the media, MSM and pure propaganda, get their insidious messages in your head. Remember, they're mostly owned by giant corporations whose owners want to keep conservatives in power. We KNOW from 2015-16 that the NYT and AP for just two pursue the same political goals as Murdoch's Fox and the WSJ, just different style and methods.
In 2020 a majority of the American electorate will once again vote for the Democratic candidate for president because he or she is our candidate. That reality is what's caused powers on the right to decide to destroy representative government. Imo, which one of our competent, principled liberals it is matters far less than that it is a Democrat standing for the typically liberal and progressive ideals we all grew up with. Our problem is not inadequate candidates but the insidious attempts to demoralize people into not voting (a weakness significantly more pervasive on the left than the righteous right) and stealing the election from those who do.
I am absolutely sure that the supposed leader indecision and inertia is a misperception on our side -- again due to our lack of understanding of what they're doing and due to massive propaganda from our enemies playing on our ignorance and fear. Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it.
We see the Republicans get big results by stealing elections, smashing laws, breaking deals, corrupting, and taking what they want. These are all fascistic tactics. You bet they draw some people to the dark side, but they repel us -- almost all of that majority who elected Obama twice and the Blue Wave.
Our job of protecting our liberal democracy's laws and systems requires protection by upholding and following them -- and the will of the people -- to fight the rise of fascism. Some unfortunately imagine nothing is happening because it's so damned slow, and reactive, and incredibly complex and behind-scenes, but that doesn't mean it isn't. Our own big day to act, probably the most critical election since the Civil War, November 3, 2020, ratchets one day closer every day.
As for not doing everything we might do right now to stop current atrocities, we are "at least trying" and doing some little bit within our limited power. The real questions are whether we should "at least try" by proceeding with an impeachment that would inevitably and conspicuously fail and what would be the inevitable costs of failure? That would give corrupt MSM and other hostile media a mountain of material to spin through all the remaining months until the election. Including of course that it was the Democrats who attempted to overset democracy and failed. Victory for the people!
Then, what happens tomorrow? The future is also "time-sensitive" because it depends on what we do in this time. So, what happens if the result in 2020 is reelection of Trump and control of congress once again by the intensely corrupted and increasingly fascistic Republicans? I believe this could be our last true election, assuming 2016 doesn't turn out to have been that, or perhaps 2012 will have been that last if we can't turn this around. And I'm sure that is what is keeping our leaders from making a definitive display of ineffectual principle now while the Republicans control the senate, WH and even SCOTUS -- the dreadful danger that impeachment's conspicuous and inevitable failure could lead to devastating losses in 2020.
Our overriding, existential goal MUST be to obtain majority control so we can restore normality and the rule of law. And turn the bills already passed by our Democratic caucuses into laws that undo the corruption they've institutionalized and strengthen and protect our electoral system in many ways, including election funding. I would be terrified if I thought Pelosi and company weren't committed to saving our democracy, so it can save us.
It's clear you realize also that, if we don't stop what the right has become, for just one thing in that tomorrow new camps will hold hundreds of thousands. They've already drawn up plans for those. And after the detention camps were someday, finally mostly emptied of undocumented immigrants, just some thousands sloppily left to continue their suffering, what next? Who next?
Wealthy RW economic, bigoted and nationalist social conservative, and religious right extremists have allied to get power. These are the mean people who destroy nations. Those they've gotten into office already frequently callously victimize American citizens, and they have long enemies lists, including all liberals. Those cheers for Trump's calls to arrest journalists and Hillary prove it can happen here.
We're going to know someday how this turns out, good or dreadful, because we'll have to live with it. Whatever you think of about our party leaders and their decisions ITM, though, at least remind yourself that NO one in their positions, with their experience, information, and teams of some of the best experts and advisers in the nation, could possibly be as incredibly, cluelessly stupid as the current blizzard of criticism about ours would suggest. Even massively dysfunctional Trump is not as incompetent and stupid as Nancy Pelosi (the woman!) is being portrayed in this blizzard of disinformation and agitprop.
See? Ramble, ramble, chat, chat. Same goals and principles, same worries.