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Celerity

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24. An Antidote to Donald Trump's Secrecy on Taxes (Ironically from the NYT, lolol)
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/opinion/an-antidote-to-donald-trumps-secrecy-on-taxes.html

President-elect Donald Trump refused to release his tax returns during the campaign and there is no sign that he will, ever. He broke longstanding tradition and set a terrible precedent for future presidential candidates.

Good government groups have been wringing their hands about what to do. Now comes an excellent idea from a New York State senator, Brad Hoylman, a Democrat from Manhattan, that would force candidates to disclose their tax returns by making it a requirement for getting on the ballot. Mr. Hoylman says that he plans to introduce a bill that would require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to disclose up to five years of their tax returns 50 days before the general election. The state’s Board of Elections would publish the returns on its website.

Candidates who fail to provide the documents would not appear on the state ballot and the state’s Electoral College electors could not vote for them. This is a smart proposal not just for New York but for other states as well. Even if a handful of states imposed the requirement, all major party nominees would have to disclose their tax returns.

Mr. Trump might well challenge such a law if he seeks a second term and wants to continue hiding his tax returns. As drafted, the bill should withstand constitutional scrutiny, said Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law scholar at Harvard. “Ballot access requirements vary significantly from state to state, and it seems that N.Y. might be able to simply add tax disclosure as a procedural ballot access requirement,” he wrote in an email.

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Don't worry Nate, Russian repug SCOTUS will throw out this law. lark Jul 2019 #1
Silver worries me sometimes. The Feds can't seem to move on this so I'm glad... brush Jul 2019 #14
I think other states have done the same?? Im bugging the heck out of Inslee.. samnsara Jul 2019 #2
Not so sure that's a wise Idea. He's not going to win CA anyway. OnDoutside Jul 2019 #3
This is only for the primary, not the general hack89 Jul 2019 #5
Thanks. OnDoutside Jul 2019 #8
It's for the Republican primary PJMcK Jul 2019 #7
Thanks OnDoutside Jul 2019 #9
Not true. former9thward Jul 2019 #47
So you think he's not going to attempt to be on the Calif. primary ballot? brush Jul 2019 #15
He had the nomination won in 2016 before the CA primary was held onenote Jul 2019 #18
California moved it's primary to Super Tuesday... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #25
So you think he won't enter and cough up the taxes? Calif. is doing it to get the info out. brush Jul 2019 #31
From a screwing with his head pov, fine, but I just hope it doesn't OnDoutside Jul 2019 #21
The state is doing it to get the info out. Only possible backfire is if the taxes are clean. brush Jul 2019 #33
It may open the eyes of other governors to do the same Perseus Jul 2019 #39
My thoughts exactly. brush Jul 2019 #57
He is sooooo right... lame54 Jul 2019 #4
This is only for the primary, not the GE. Not even sure if the Ca SC will allow this for the still_one Jul 2019 #6
Trump will be the first... lame54 Jul 2019 #11
I agree still_one Jul 2019 #13
I disagree. If tRump loses he's going to scream "rigged" KPN Jul 2019 #48
Exactly! Duppers Jul 2019 #56
All Trump has to do is supply his tax returns like everyone else. n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #55
How is it undemocratic? Please explain lunatica Jul 2019 #10
How would we have felt about it customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #32
I'm not sure I would have a problem with that. OhZone Jul 2019 #34
It would have been an insult to him customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #59
That's kind of how I feel. Not a good precedent overall. Otherwise, I don't Hoyt Jul 2019 #35
I agree Gregory Peccary Jul 2019 #37
Yep, they'd love customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #58
Fine with ne grantcart Jul 2019 #60
I'd be ok if it's required of everyone... like what my kids had to submit to get their 1st driver's deurbano Jul 2019 #64
Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #65
Transparency is only an issue for the dishonest. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #12
Constitution only pertains to the general election. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #16
The Constitution applies to state elections as well StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #27
The idea could discourage poor people from running for office wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #17
Credit scores aren't on tax returns StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #29
Wrong. It's a great idea! ananda Jul 2019 #19
Condoning kleptocracy...how does that work in a a fair democracy? Karadeniz Jul 2019 #20
Most states have ballot access laws that set forth specific requirements candidates must meet StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #22
I love when Nate Silver acts like he's above it. budkin Jul 2019 #23
An Antidote to Donald Trump's Secrecy on Taxes (Ironically from the NYT, lolol) Celerity Jul 2019 #24
What's "undemocratic" about it? Candidates of all parties have to abide the same rules. Goodheart Jul 2019 #26
Has Nate released his tax returns? bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #28
I have never found Nate to be a fount of wisdom no matter how popular his opinions are with some. Ford_Prefect Jul 2019 #30
nate's 538 is not a poll, but an analysis of polls jimmy the one Jul 2019 #70
Does this also require tax returns for all state and local candidates as well ? MichMan Jul 2019 #36
Only presidential and gubernatorial candidates dalton99a Jul 2019 #40
So much for transparency MichMan Jul 2019 #43
Let him go back to where he fucking came from. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #38
Nate is dead wrong. Dems need zentrum Jul 2019 #41
I don't necessarily like making it more difficult to run for office TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #42
+1000! KPN Jul 2019 #49
All this handwringing while democracy is at stake. FFS, ecstatic Jul 2019 #44
Yes, the interminable hand-wringing. KPN Jul 2019 #51
I like this...my concern is that this next election is going to be held up in courts C Moon Jul 2019 #45
WTF? What's anti-democratic is Trump refusing to be transparent. nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #46
I agree with Silver SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #50
Actually, many states have ballot access requirements that mandate candidates do certain things StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #53
Agreed - plus, I'm not sure a state can unilaterally force someone to waive their federal Midwestern Democrat Jul 2019 #61
There's no such thing as a federal confidentiality right StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #68
This is about a states primary not general election uponit7771 Jul 2019 #62
Not true. States are in charge of their selection BootinUp Jul 2019 #63
SC used to be in charge of their selection process SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #66
Valid point. I just don't see tax returns as a violation BootinUp Jul 2019 #67
It's not StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #69
KGB is already in our systems, gotta vote still but mass chaos and war coming which is Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #52
It should be an amendment to the constitution. warmfeet Jul 2019 #54
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