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jmg257

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18. What I stated, just like the USSC did, is quite clear...exactly WHY it went against Miller...
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 11:37 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Tue Aug 6, 2019, 12:28 PM - Edit history (1)

The Miller decision states that the 2nd protects arms with reasonable military use, in order to assure the effectiveness of the militia entities.


"The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon.

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense


Period. Pretty simple to see just what they did say, and no dancing is needed - its all about the inadequate weapon.. the ownership/possession by a citizen of an arm..."this weapon", a "shotgun..." of "such an instrument", "its use", not proved to have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia - is/was not protected by the 2nd.


You sound like someone who is trying to prove a point using only a small part of a decision in support, while ignoring the rather obvious point stated in another part.

We do get the 2nd is militia related - states it right in the preamble.

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The basic point is accurate... but some of the examples are off FBaggins Aug 2019 #1
I agree. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #2
agree. Repeal it! n/t Brainstormy Aug 2019 #5
We should have stayed with England, we'd have health care too. Hoyt Aug 2019 #3
Good point PJMcK Aug 2019 #26
Think the author should do some more research - 3rd and 6th amendments in 1971? jmg257 Aug 2019 #4
Research? Nah, it's just a typo BruceWane Aug 2019 #15
supreme court 1939 miller decision jimmy the one Aug 2019 #6
' raging moderate Aug 2019 #7
What do you think would have happened had Miller livrd aikoaiko Aug 2019 #9
had jack miller lived jimmy the one Aug 2019 #29
For people who think a shotgun is good home defense, aikoaiko Aug 2019 #32
Maybe... but it doesn't have to be under that 18" barrel standard to be useful for home defense FBaggins Aug 2019 #34
Hey Jimmy! Since by 1939, the people were already only the UNorganized Militia, jmg257 Aug 2019 #10
flies in your ointments jimmy the one Aug 2019 #12
Understood about Heller - we were talking Miller. You use the decision as proof of militia relation jmg257 Aug 2019 #13
what they did NOT say, does not trump what they DID say jimmy the one Aug 2019 #16
What I stated, just like the USSC did, is quite clear...exactly WHY it went against Miller... jmg257 Aug 2019 #18
But some in yours as well FBaggins Aug 2019 #14
the prevailing 1939 thought was no individual rkba jimmy the one Aug 2019 #17
You've provided no evidence for that FBaggins Aug 2019 #19
flies in the bulloffal jimmy the one Aug 2019 #23
Once again... general claims without evidence FBaggins Aug 2019 #28
not unanimous en banc like 1939 scotus re miller jimmy the one Aug 2019 #31
Entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts FBaggins Aug 2019 #33
the phantom justice, ray roberts jimmy the one Aug 2019 #35
Hiding by replying to yourself? FBaggins Aug 2019 #36
1938-39 Dept of Justice DoJ amicus brief jimmy the one Aug 2019 #25
So if Miller had a gun that was suitable for militia service then he would've been ok? hack89 Aug 2019 #30
Civil Rights were considered unconstitutional, radius777 Aug 2019 #8
criticism of 2008 heller decision by british scholars jimmy the one Aug 2019 #11
Those British scholars would use English law to justify us still being a colony. former9thward Aug 2019 #21
Your suspicions are necessary to validate your own biases. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #24
Umm, put of idle curiosity Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #37
The Heller decision goes to great lengths to discuss the history/origins of 2A FBaggins Aug 2019 #38
bulloffal jimmy the one Aug 2019 #40
scalia invalidly cited english history in heller jimmy the one Aug 2019 #39
Yeah, sorry 'bout that Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #42
Many errors in the post. former9thward Aug 2019 #20
Follow the money... Buckeyeblue Aug 2019 #22
Good post, Soph PJMcK Aug 2019 #27
more truth about the militia intent of 2ndA jimmy the one Aug 2019 #41
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