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TomSlick

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92. It seems likely that things really are as they appear.

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 07:47 PM

Aug 2019

The problem is that we have reached a point the nothing - nothing - this administration says can be taken at face value. Just because Epstein was in a federal facility under the control of AG Barr and Barr quickly - before an autopsy or an investigation - said it was suicide doesn't mean it wasn't suicide. Then again, it doesn't mean that we can be confident that it was suicide. (Trump has re-tweeted that Bill Clinton had him killed - so apparently Trump isn't convinced that Barr is to be believed.)

We're in dark times when we immediately - and reasonably - suspect that our government is lying to us.

I wish that I had confidence that a complete investigation will occur. Unfortunately, the FBI is under Barr's control, so I cannot have that confidence.

Dark times, indeed.

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Am I the only one who thinks that sometimes things are just as they appear? [View all] OKNancy Aug 2019 OP

Occam's Razor. Codeine Aug 2019 #1

Right elleng Aug 2019 #3

What? There was a razor!!!!!11! Yonnie3 Aug 2019 #6

Damn you and your logic - sounds like we might have a college boy over here. Shaddox Aug 2019 #9

I wish! Codeine Aug 2019 #12

Freud: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." SharonAnn Aug 2019 #13

+1000! The DU is crazy at times! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #72

IMO this seems to be a reverse Occam's razor. It's too convenient... brush Aug 2019 #96

His suicide does seem a trifle premature. Ligyron Aug 2019 #112

What an absurd and bizarre theory! jberryhill Aug 2019 #2

Not the only one...nt emmaverybo Aug 2019 #4

I bet I am not the only one washing socks today. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2019 #7

I'm not. But my wife is. Lochloosa Aug 2019 #16

I have done two loads of socks just today! ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #23

Can someone explain the "washing socks" reference Codeine Aug 2019 #27

I believe it just refers to finding some mundane thing to do to avoid the news for whatever reason mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #36

Ohhhhhhh. Codeine Aug 2019 #38

Not my experience with you my friend (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #44

I got that in response to my mentioning how much I miss my parents since they are both gone. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #43

For reals? That sucks! ((hug)) nt mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #45

Oh my gosh. Thanks for that hug! emmaverybo Aug 2019 #46

((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) ((((hug)))) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #50

You make it better, emmaverybo Aug 2019 #57

Glad to be of service. May all your remaining loved ones have the same good fortune :) (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #64

I miss my parents too. Very much. cwydro Aug 2019 #65

Oh, so sorry. I saw both my parents live with that. It helps somehow to know that others do know emmaverybo Aug 2019 #69

I think it means something else. cwydro Aug 2019 #49

Like I said ... that's what I assumed, not what I KNOW :) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #51

I'll pm you. I don't want to cast aspersions lol. cwydro Aug 2019 #53

Could also mean cleaning up after a hookup. Is that what you didn't want to cast asparagus about?nt zackymilly Aug 2019 #110

Rinse. Recycle. Reuse. Repeat. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #59

You're not the only one CatMor Aug 2019 #5

Yup. FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #81

I agree. Tipperary Aug 2019 #8

You can't fool me, lol. BootinUp Aug 2019 #10

murdered, period Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #11

Ooh be careful, Eliot. You're going to make some people clutch their pearls and throw themselves Cousin Dupree Aug 2019 #20

We NEVER seem to learn, do we Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #32

Hope your NEVER on a real jury! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #74

Not likely Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #93

I'm with you Mike 03 Aug 2019 #14

Because he's a narcissist who thought he could buy his way out of it? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30

He bought his way out the first time. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #34

Maybe, but these guys often think they can get through anything. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #55

His fortunes were turning against him Mike 03 Aug 2019 #37

Narcissists also can't stand being destroyed StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #76

No, narcissists never accept the proposition that they've even been destroyed PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #99

There is NO way he killed himself for a variety of reasons especially the narcissist Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #109

The ones who believe it was just an unassisted suicide are either... brush Aug 2019 #114

Russian Embassy openly supports Gabbard and yet she has some fans here, SIGH Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #115

Yeah, they say it's just another conspiracy theory even though... brush Aug 2019 #117

Doesn't fit kurtcagle Aug 2019 #85

I believe most of the suspicion... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #90

Whether he did it himself or not - he should have been on suicide precautions. harumph Aug 2019 #15

Agree! Mike 03 Aug 2019 #19

Uh-huh, and Trump & Barr are good guys who didn't have anything to do with Epstein... polichick Aug 2019 #17

Yep. Tried to kill himself once, things looking worse, stopbush Aug 2019 #18

No GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #21

Well, maybe so, but if so, they may well have LIHOP. gristy Aug 2019 #22

Of course that may be the truth. But there is every reason to be suspicious, given he'd been on hlthe2b Aug 2019 #24

+1, it's irrational to take the Trump administration at face value uponit7771 Aug 2019 #42

One thing we might be seeing on DU Mike 03 Aug 2019 #25

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #63

I'm skeptical. nt barbtries Aug 2019 #26

This Was a Very Convenient Suicide dlk Aug 2019 #28

Dunno. Igel Aug 2019 #39

If you block your wife on your phone jberryhill Aug 2019 #77

This was a Convenient Suicide for Those Who Utilized Epstein's "Services" dlk Aug 2019 #79

+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #41

Many examples of prisoners killing themselves. nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #89

Maybe he faked his death torius Aug 2019 #29

Maybe he is with that Enron dude lunasun Aug 2019 #52

Things are just as they are. Appearance is the illusion of observational perspective. WheelWalker Aug 2019 #31

I read a while ago Epstein was severly depressed. Not unusual to be suicidal and riversedge Aug 2019 #33

What is perfectly clear to me as things appear randr Aug 2019 #35

If you ignore the obvious yes uponit7771 Aug 2019 #40

obvious what? AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #48

That bar and Trump are running the government uponit7771 Aug 2019 #54

Well yeah..1 is potus the other is ag.... AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #58

Bookmarked uponit7771 Aug 2019 #60

How dare you.....be reasonable...unacceptable. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #47

No, you are not the only one. GoCubsGo Aug 2019 #56

Always or are there ever exceptions? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #61

No. Sometimes. A weed in the flower bed is just as it appears but an egg in the unicorn nest IADEMO2004 Aug 2019 #62

I agree. AJT Aug 2019 #66

But then people wouldn't have so much fun pretending life was like their favorite TV show or movie! PSPS Aug 2019 #67

I hadn't thought of the alien angle jberryhill Aug 2019 #78

The next thing you know, we'll start seeing things like this PSPS Aug 2019 #80

"Usual end to a child molester's life is suicide." Is it? PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #97

Many personality disorders are overlapping and often do not exist in isolation. People out of emmaverybo Aug 2019 #107

Overlapping disorders does not change the physiological science PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #118

Rather not argue with you about PDs. I will say that although diagnostically they provide a emmaverybo Aug 2019 #119

Definitely not arguing with you. I will say, however, PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #120

Oh for goodness sake. Attitude. I taught college English. I know what an oxymoron is. Just never emmaverybo Aug 2019 #121

Oh, good grief. I'm not sure which is worse... PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #123

Thanks. It has. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #124

That thinking is why people in prison are being released because of shraby Aug 2019 #68

Certainly not Sunsky Aug 2019 #70

You are 100% correct, but people LOVE a mystery, reality is boring! nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #71

Not these days! BadgerMom Aug 2019 #102

No, you're not StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #73

It appears like a lot of deals were made to keep him out of prison NightWatcher Aug 2019 #75

"Some times a cigar is just a cigar". -- Sigmund Freud n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2019 #82

it is a possibly adequate explanation bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #83

Well, Bill Barr recently expressed his love of vigillante justice. Pathwalker Aug 2019 #84

No but I'd like details on how he did it underpants Aug 2019 #86

It is certainly one possibility. warmfeet Aug 2019 #87

I don't doubt that anyone in his position would be suicidal. But... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #88

This. Exactly this. Boomer Aug 2019 #95

If he needed murdering, why in a highly controlled Hortensis Aug 2019 #91

Because killing him in the most highly.visible high profile way possible StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #101

Oh, of course. Duh! Hortensis Aug 2019 #108

It seems likely that things really are as they appear. TomSlick Aug 2019 #92

Nah ... lillypaddle Aug 2019 #94

I came across this though JonLP24 Aug 2019 #98

Call me crazy, but Crunchy Frog Aug 2019 #100

No, you are not the only one. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #103

Fascinating how the propaganda wheel turns PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #104

Am I the only one who thinks 24 hours isn't enough time to have a definitive opinion? meadowlander Aug 2019 #105

Agree. It's not hard at all to imagine him committing suicide. nolabear Aug 2019 #106

Two philosophies that pretty much cover it all... not_the_one Aug 2019 #111

Absoutely. Yet any suicide should be investigated while the individual was incarcerated. BeckyDem Aug 2019 #113

If he looks like a racist and acts like a racist, well... Joe941 Aug 2019 #116

My guess is he did this by his own hands LanternWaste Aug 2019 #122