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H2O Man

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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:03 AM Aug 2019

The Necromancer of Id [View all]

While I was watching a clip of Trump's talk last week, about his opposition to violence and white nationalism, I remembered something from long ago. I was in a training in Rome, NY, for forensic social workers, being presented by J. Reid Meloy, the psychologist who was widely recognized as our country's leading expert on sociopaths. Dr. Meloy was the top student of Dr. Robert Hare, who had devised the Hare Checklist for identifying sociopaths.

Each day of the training, Dr. Meloy spoke about the sociopath's ability “to know the words, but not the tune.” In other words, a sociopath can utter words in an attempt to feign empathy, etc, but it falls flat. In this case, Trump didn't even know the words – he was merely trying to read what someone else had composed for the teleprompter. His tone in delivering the message was devoid of any human emotion. The word “flat” does not fully capture the emptiness of his tone.

Now, this is not in and of itself one of the diagnostic traits found on Hare's Checklist. But it certainly blends in with a number of traits found on that checklist that Trump exhibits. There are twenty traits assessed on the Hare checklist, and the more traits one has, the higher they rank on the scale for sociopathy. For a quick review, let's consider those that one might associate with Trump: glib; grandiose; need for stimulation; pathological lying; manipulative; lack of remorse or guilt; lack of empathy; parasitic lifestyle; poor behavioral controls; promiscuity; early behavior problems; impulsive; irresponsibility and refusal to accept responsibility.

Among these are a cluster that are closely related for the potential for cruelty. The lack of the human traits of empathy, or remorse, combined with the refusal to take responsibility, can make for a cold and cruel specimen. The type that enjoys separating little children from their families. The type that takes pleasure in keeping children in metal cages. That orders ICE to separate parents from their children on the very day he goes to El Paso, to send the message that if you don't like children in cages, he'll leave them alone on the streets of America instead.

What might this mean in the context of the effort to impeach Trump and/or the 2020 presidential election? Let's apply the first lesson on campaigns ….there are three groups: those who will always vote for you, those who will always vote against you, and those who are either undecided or not firmly committed. No Democrat who watched Trump's reading of a speech last week is going to think, “Boy, that came straight from the heart. He isn't so bad.” And no white nationalist is going to think for a second that Trump meant a word of it. That leaves the third group, which is those who generally decide an election.

Now, it's important to remember that a presidential election is actually fifty state elections. While the popular vote should determine the outcome, it doesn't. Thus, it is essential that we focus on state polls, rather than becoming overconfident due to national polls. Still, with this in mind, it is evident that we can use Trump's obscene level of cruelty to our advantage. For but one example, there are enough film clips of him displaying his toxic filth that our party can highlight it in hundreds of commercials aimed at the undecided voters – as well as those who opted to not vote in 2016.

We know that Trump has a fragile, underdeveloped ego. When confronted, his id takes the reins. We saw that when Nancy and Chuck confronted him about the potential “Trump shutdown.” He reacted by taking ownership of what became a cruel, unpopular failure. That is his essence. Likewise, he hates to be the butt of jokes, and can be counted on to immediately go on the attack. We need to use these things ot only against him, but against every republican in DC who outright supports him, or who remains silent.

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The Necromancer of Id [View all] H2O Man Aug 2019 OP
Kick dalton99a Aug 2019 #1
Damn right! H2O Man Aug 2019 #2
recommended to publicize real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #21
Great post malaise Aug 2019 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #4
Robbie would concur..... Boxerfan Aug 2019 #5
I believe that H2O Man Aug 2019 #6
K&R and thanks. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2019 #12
Chump refuses to prepare for anything FakeNoose Aug 2019 #8
Definitely. H2O Man Aug 2019 #13
I think you hit some good points SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #9
I agree. H2O Man Aug 2019 #14
Absolutely agree. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #15
Gaslight the gaslighter coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #11
Yep! H2O Man Aug 2019 #16
He hates being called a "racist"... kentuck Aug 2019 #20
Call him the racist rapist coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #37
Right! H2O Man Aug 2019 #91
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #42
I KNew I'd Find You Here Lion Me. Aug 2019 #54
The two of you ..... H2O Man Aug 2019 #92
Be Warned Me. Aug 2019 #99
Only because we love you n/t coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #107
Haha I am a woman coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #102
I Hear You Roar Me. Aug 2019 #103
I've known plenty of ridiculously unhealthy people coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #104
PLease Don't Take Our Hope Away Me. Aug 2019 #105
If we just hope he'll die coeur_de_lion Aug 2019 #106
use his own pet words Locrian Aug 2019 #17
Right. H2O Man Aug 2019 #45
Kick n/t malaise Aug 2019 #18
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Aug 2019 #19
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #46
Will the Dems stoop to conquer? No, we prefer to lose with honor. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #22
It's not "the low road," H2O Man Aug 2019 #38
"When they go low, we go high". maxsolomon Aug 2019 #39
Valid point. H2O Man Aug 2019 #41
... with the help of the Russians. uponit7771 Aug 2019 #44
Yes. H2O Man Aug 2019 #47
When they go low...tell the fucking TRUTH world wide wally Aug 2019 #81
Kick and rec. tosh Aug 2019 #23
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2019 #48
Kicking Hekate Aug 2019 #24
Thanks, Hekate! H2O Man Aug 2019 #49
Forgot to say how much I love the title of your piece Hekate Aug 2019 #77
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2019 #78
I ask myself these questions all the time Perseus Aug 2019 #25
Valid points! H2O Man Aug 2019 #50
Dr. Hare would describe Trump as a psychopath pandr32 Aug 2019 #26
Right. H2O Man Aug 2019 #51
Well I landed in therapy again 2 days after MontanaMama Aug 2019 #80
Beautiful! Well done, H2O Man. VERY well said. calimary Aug 2019 #27
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #52
Explains why he took suck offense to Obama's jokes at Correspondents Dinner. Pepsidog Aug 2019 #28
One thing I have been wondering about Timmygoat Aug 2019 #29
He shouldn't be. H2O Man Aug 2019 #55
It sure did. Great article. I was telling my son about Barr's bizarre family connections to Epstein. Pepsidog Aug 2019 #76
You really can't! H2O Man Aug 2019 #79
Seriously! H2O Man Aug 2019 #53
And remember at all times that sociopaths, like psychopaths do not change. marble falls Aug 2019 #30
Right. H2O Man Aug 2019 #56
His physical deterioration seems to be accelerating, too. Good. marble falls Aug 2019 #59
Right! H2O Man Aug 2019 #60
Sometimes the truth seems so obvious, doesn't it.... pangaia Aug 2019 #31
Yep. H2O Man Aug 2019 #57
A more sagely considered post you will not find today grantcart Aug 2019 #32
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #62
Didn't Hillary do some commercials where Trump was just saying nasty, crappy Trump things? Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #33
I'm not sure H2O Man Aug 2019 #63
Some people just go along to get along Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #89
Very interesting! H2O Man Aug 2019 #93
Pick any Ttump screed, like 3/19/2019 with Jair Bolsonaro, no incitements to MAGA zombies here... lambchopp59 Aug 2019 #34
Right. H2O Man Aug 2019 #64
Plenty of material there. flying_wahini Aug 2019 #85
Right. H2O Man Aug 2019 #94
How many of Trump's knuckle-draggers know who Bolsonaro is? 3Hotdogs Aug 2019 #86
KR Me. Aug 2019 #35
I told you H2O Man Aug 2019 #65
Should've Listened Me. Aug 2019 #71
You'll know better H2O Man Aug 2019 #73
... Me. Aug 2019 #75
Cowardly Kremlin Don and Moscow Mitch should be stuck together Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #36
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2019 #66
great big gobs of greasy, grimey GOPers Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #82
Moscow Mitch claimed Scarsdale Aug 2019 #83
Plus, MyOwnPeace Aug 2019 #87
Definitely! H2O Man Aug 2019 #96
Mark Rudd was graduated from the h.s. in my town. Columbia H.S., Maplewood, N.J. 3Hotdogs Aug 2019 #88
A few years back, H2O Man Aug 2019 #95
There's a tidal wave coming in about 15 months from now. Kid Berwyn Aug 2019 #40
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #67
He is a MALIGNANT NARCISSIST SOCIOPATH. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #43
True. H2O Man Aug 2019 #68
K&R. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2019 #58
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #69
100th rec, and deservedly so. VOX Aug 2019 #61
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #70
Excellent OP, thanks. oasis Aug 2019 #72
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #74
Very well written mgardener Aug 2019 #84
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #97
One irony has struck me recently... malthaussen Aug 2019 #90
Yes, exactly. H2O Man Aug 2019 #98
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #100
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2019 #101
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