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MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
10. Well, I am of two minds on stuff like this.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:38 PM
Aug 2019

On one hand, I understand parent wanting to take their child with them for a restaurant meal. On the other, I've been a restaurant patron when someone's child threw a screaming fit. The situation with a 4-year-old child with a health problem is different, but has the same impact on others nearby. If it continues, their meals are ruined.

The restaurant owner, on the other hand, has a different dilemma. Odds are that some of the other tables have regular customers eating in the restaurant. Those regulars are the owner's bread and butter. The family with the loud child are almost certainly not regular customers. So, what does the restaurant owner do? It's a problem for him or her.

The parents of the child with a disorder that leads to loud, disruptive behavior know the situation well. They took a chance by bringing the child with them for a meal at the restaurant. The child is frustrated or can't control the behavior at age 4. If I were the parent, I'd say, "Well, this isn't working out this evening." Then, I'd quietly leave the restaurant with the child with one of the parents staying in the restaurant to explain and pay whatever is owed. That's what I'd do. Then, maybe a year or two later, I'd try again, when the child is a little older and has more experience in such situations.

It's an experiment, raising a child with some sort of health problem that can result in disruptive behavior. Sometimes the experiment works out OK. Sometimes it doesn't. All of it changes over time.

Parents with a child have to shop in the supermarket, so a shrieking toddler is not unheard of in that situation. The parent needn't take the child out of the store, because other shoppers can move away from the disturbance, which probably won't last all that long. In a restaurant, however, or a theater, or any situation where people can't escape from the disturbance, the onus is on the parents to remove the child, either temporarily or altogether. That's the equation.

It's not really a disability issue. Children under the age of 5 can raise a ruckus, even if they don't have any disability. The rules are the same, though. If the child's behavior is denying others who cannot escape a peaceful experience, then the parents need to remove the child if the child can't be calmed down. That's only fair.

Now, someone is sure to tell me I'm an old curmudgeon, which I am. But there it is. The rules of common courtesy demand that parents not inflict their children's tantrums or lack of the ability to control their outburst on others. It's simple.

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A four year old too loud? More likely a geezer with no tolerance for anyone. marble falls Aug 2019 #1
What if they bring the child to a movie? former9thward Aug 2019 #19
Please. Have you been to a movie recently? marble falls Aug 2019 #21
Yes, what kind of answer is that? former9thward Aug 2019 #25
What if they use an scenario irrelevant to the OP illustrate a petulant point? LanternWaste Aug 2019 #23
What if they bring the child to Mars on a pogo stick? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #40
I haven't been to an Outback in years.. sdfernando Aug 2019 #2
Lol, ok USALiberal Aug 2019 #4
That's a real dilemma, isn't it? MineralMan Aug 2019 #3
You and I feel pretty much the same on this issue. We're both geezers, and politeness Nay Aug 2019 #9
Well, I am of two minds on stuff like this. MineralMan Aug 2019 #10
Again, I agree with everything you say here, too. I certainly have sympathy for the parents, Nay Aug 2019 #16
Look for some asshole in a MAGA cap. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #5
Hi lpbk2713 - Although I was not there, I can tell you that I live near this Pendrench Aug 2019 #7
Same people who stole all the sugar packets from the table tavernier Aug 2019 #17
Oh please, anyone might have complained. cwydro Aug 2019 #22
What an interesting contrast BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #49
Even more fascinating is that you seem to be following me around. cwydro Aug 2019 #50
LOL don't flatter yourself BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #53
I wouldn't be in the least flattered. cwydro Aug 2019 #54
MAGA's are the only ones who don't like noise while eating? Polybius Aug 2019 #29
Several years ago, my amily took me to celebrate my birthday in this restaurant lunamagica Aug 2019 #6
Agree with your sentiment. radius777 Aug 2019 #38
The child defenetly didn't want to be there. Her screams weren't of joy or involuntary. She was lunamagica Aug 2019 #44
Imagine complaining about a special needs kid at Outback. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #8
Strangers don't know that a random kid has a special needs issue. MineralMan Aug 2019 #11
I don't really have a problem with this. Captain Stern Aug 2019 #12
Would you apply the same conditions to an adult with CP? Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #14
Probably not Captain Stern Aug 2019 #15
Frankly, I'm pretty appalled at the two responses I've seen. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #27
There are places that screaming isn't appropriate, regardless of the reason. Captain Stern Aug 2019 #39
Yes I would. MicaelS Aug 2019 #24
Wow. I was intending the question as a reality check Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #28
Keep in mind that there are many people Bettie Aug 2019 #42
What if it was the movies or the library? Polybius Aug 2019 #30
Wow - now three responses that favor shuffling people with disabilities off into the closet Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #31
No, this is the right forum Polybius Aug 2019 #48
Assuming that you are talking at the top of your lungs when you had a choice Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #55
I just went to YouTube to get an example or two of Childhood Apraxia of Speech Leith Aug 2019 #13
I am on the younger side of DU IluvPitties Aug 2019 #18
While I do have a certain amount of sympathy for the parents, I think it's unfair on the other OnDoutside Aug 2019 #20
Courtesy KT2000 Aug 2019 #26
This is True. We have rights to everything but peace and safety. MarcA Aug 2019 #32
Some disabilities make it impossible for people to avoid "disturbances." Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #33
Appropriate is another consideration KT2000 Aug 2019 #34
Behavior and disabilities are different. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #35
Oh please - KT2000 Aug 2019 #36
Really? Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #37
"I looked up child apraxia and watched a video" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #41
Yes KT2000 Aug 2019 #45
I understand both sides of this issue edhopper Aug 2019 #43
+1 Me as well. bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #51
Outback is a family restaurant. This one's management should Hortensis Aug 2019 #46
... demmiblue Aug 2019 #47
We have some really mean people in our country. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #52
Most of this thread agree with those people obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #56
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