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pnwmom

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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:39 PM Aug 2019

Lawfare: What if the House held impeachment proceedings and nobody noticed? [View all]

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-house-held-impeachment-proceedings-and-nobody-noticed

Between a string of mass shootings, the ongoing Democratic presidential primary and a shuffle of senior intelligence leaders, even political junkies seemed to take little notice of the news that the House of Representatives has begun officially and publicly moving forward with investigations to invoke its solemn, constitutionally ordained “sole power” to impeach the president for “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” In the age of Trump, it seems, not even the beginning of impeachment proceedings offers a national moral inflection point.

Part of the confusion, though, is that Democrats seem to have deliberately avoided the dramatic moment that a whole-House vote to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry would provide. Perhaps House Democrats fear Trump would hijack any such moment to paint Democrats as both extreme and feckless. Perhaps they fear that initiating impeachment proceedings, rather than simply conducting them without formally invoking an impeachment process, would crowd out the ability to move forward on other legislation. Perhaps they have backed into impeachment “proceedings” as a compromise among different views about impeachment within their caucus; Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi certainly wants to protect her majority by shielding red-state Democrats from a vote that she apparently does not think would help them retain their seats in November of 2020.

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Nadler’s statement is also an undefined but palpable admission that Trump’s persistent attacks on norms, which have desensitized Americans to each subsequent outrage, demand a different approach to removing a president. Before 2016, and perhaps even until the release of the Mueller report, it might have seemed that if a president were to cross some undefined threshold, outrage would demand impeachment proceedings as the next logical step.

Trump, however, has presided over a change in the political culture. The country has a president who commits one heinous deed after another, says one outrageous thing after another, and so habitually and consistently violates the country’s sense of appropriate presidential behavior that each successive offense gets a lesser reaction. Actions that would have brought previous presidents widespread opprobrium now pass by every few days with little more than collective shrugs from politicians and pundits. There’s no one moment at which it seemed that this particular act clearly crossed the line between unproductive but grudgingly acceptable behavior and undeniably impeachable activity. Each new misdeed has prompted a slightly smaller, notably less effective response.
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That would be a dereliction of duty. PUBLIC OUTREACH is the whole point sharedvalues Aug 2019 #1
That could be playing into his hands. It might make more sense pnwmom Aug 2019 #2
+1 StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #4
That's a fair point sharedvalues Aug 2019 #6
Things that would have shamed and horrified the GOP in the past they'll just blow off. pnwmom Aug 2019 #7
I agree with this view. Nevermypresident Aug 2019 #9
So yes sharedvalues Aug 2019 #13
I think Nadler and Pelosi are working together. He's going ahead with an impeachment investigation pnwmom Aug 2019 #14
I hope so sharedvalues Aug 2019 #15
He's some political consultant, not a Pelosi-mind reader. And that was from last MAY -- pnwmom Aug 2019 #16
Reines is pretty connected in Dem circles. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #21
Philippe Reines isn't an "insider" on the Hill StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #22
Yes I hope so sharedvalues Aug 2019 #23
Why do you think Pelosi is trying to avoid impeachment? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #24
Pelosi is trying to avoid impeachment to protect her caucus sharedvalues Aug 2019 #32
The fact that Speaker Pelosi hasn't created the Hot Mess Circus you want to see StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #33
Nadler and Pelosi have been reported as being at odds sharedvalues Aug 2019 #34
This... Nadler has been out there talking about it..just throwing it out there Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #30
+2 Hekate Aug 2019 #11
agreed - right now NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #29
That's horseshit. Nadler and Neal have to do it by the book, if they hope OnDoutside Aug 2019 #3
They are doing it by the book. And this is how they will get access to McGahn pnwmom Aug 2019 #5
The folks who have been yammering for an impeachment DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #8
You noticed that, too? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #10
The MSNBC talking heads are particularly guilty DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #18
My favorite ... StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #20
Despite Nadler saying specifically Pelosi approved the DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #25
Yeah, but StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #26
That dog has got the back wheel in his teeth and is being spun around and around. nt Hekate Aug 2019 #12
Wasn't the whole point to "bring the American public along with us"? meadowlander Aug 2019 #17
The public can't "come along" until there are DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #19
I can't imagine how you would have an impeachment inquiry Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #27
Right now, there's nothing to see and I think that's what has some people upset StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #28
I know Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #31
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