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tymorial

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32. We should absolutely support HK but the UK needs to take the lead
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:59 PM
Aug 2019

They won't given their current problems but they have an obligation. China is violating the terms of their treaty. Britian is duty bound to push back and support the HK people who are being denied their rights under the British-Sino declaration of 1984. China promised 50 years of "one nation, two systems" it hasn't even been 25 years.

This change by China isn't surprising. China has a public face which intends to present itself very much the republic it claims to be while having an internal system which is most certainly not. They made efforts in the 80s under Xioping to institute term limits for the presidency and also institute expectations for government and military leaders to follow suit. Though party and military leaders were not legally held to limits, they were expected to follow suit and also adhere to the mandatory retirement age of 68.

The whole purpose of these laws were actually twofold. The real intent was to prevent the Maoist cult of personality and mitigate the turmoil of previous decades. It also intended to present China as the republic it claimed to be.

In reality these laws were largely symbolic and often ignored. The only president to actually adhere to the two term rule was Jinping's predecessor Jintao. The laws and rules were set under Deng Xioping but he maintained power until 1997 even as he officially retired in 1992. Other leaders either managed to hold onto their positions or had to be forcibly removed and ousted. Still the public face of China was one that they adhered to the precepts of a republic.

They signed the Sino-British Declaration treaty in 1984 amidst these changes. When 1997 came and the transition ceremony took place the events of Tiananmen Square were not far back in people's minds. The 50 year guarantee of one country, two systems was still very much expected and China affirmed that agreement.

What makes the situation today different is that Jinping has upended the changes of the 80s. The republic pretext is gone. The democracy pretext is gone. The state media has stated both are irrelevant (as directed). He made himself president for life. This act did not go without criticism. Protestors within China and exiled political dissidents have called this change a return to imperial china with Jinping making himself emperor. Jinping and the government cite overwhelmingly support by the people and yet the state sponsored media goes to great lengths to prevent imperialism, imperial, emperor from ever being heard and the internet is heavily monitored to prevent these labels from being discussed.

So yes. Its not surprising that Jinping and the Chinese Government seeks to ignore their own treaty. Whether they ever intended to honor the 50 year agreement.... unsure. Xioping was revered and celebrated for his changes and the "modernization of China"

So yes, the US does need to support Hong Kong. We claim to be the leaders of the free world (I hate the term because I dont believe it is always applicable.. especially under our own president with monarchical delusions) so we must support HK. Britain however must lead the way. It is their treaty. The protestors demand what was promised by both parties. The UK is duty bound to advocate.

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They do it pretty good..... Historic NY Aug 2019 #1
"Let's not let them down." Duppers Aug 2019 #2
My mom hosted a W&M law student from mainland China who ended up... PunkinPi Aug 2019 #9
My hubby, once adjunct faculty Duppers Aug 2019 #15
OK, who is going to tell them? mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2019 #3
Yeah, no kidding. calimary Aug 2019 #29
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #31
Either protesters or... jberryhill Aug 2019 #4
Well, maybe I'm naive to think they are just protestors who happen to think... PunkinPi Aug 2019 #12
So, to be clear jberryhill Aug 2019 #13
So... sometimes unsupported speculation of a conspiracy is valid? LanternWaste Aug 2019 #16
I see it less as "rallying their countrymen" and more as speaking to the desire to be more... PunkinPi Aug 2019 #22
Tiananmen Sq. had Statue of Liberty delisen Aug 2019 #30
The Statue of Liberty is quite different from the US flag jberryhill Aug 2019 #34
I've seen a mainland political cartoon presenting the HK protests as US-manipulated... JHB Aug 2019 #25
And then "protesters" - remarkably isolated from any other crowd.... jberryhill Aug 2019 #26
That was my first thought. I mean, I guess it's not unheard of to see that behavior Sapient Donkey Aug 2019 #33
And predictably, SHITLER betrays freedom fighters and the U.S. flag. UTUSN Aug 2019 #5
I'm beginning to get the feeling that this whole thing is brought on by the Russians. Frustratedlady Aug 2019 #6
I don't think this case is Russia jimlup Aug 2019 #10
I hope you are right. Frustratedlady Aug 2019 #11
jimlup is right. China has their own problems Duppers Aug 2019 #17
The Administration has already let them down jimlup Aug 2019 #7
Aside from indirect NED funding soryang Aug 2019 #8
HK is a SAR of the PRC. roamer65 Aug 2019 #14
This made me cry. Dammit. Silver Gaia Aug 2019 #18
Its amazing that we still stand for freedom and democracy Bayard Aug 2019 #19
They should be singing Oh Canada as the US is fascist like China. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #20
My heart is breaking. BadgerMom Aug 2019 #21
Now THAT chokes me up. Thank you, Hong Kong. We can use the validation right now. ancianita Aug 2019 #23
I hope I'm wrong but it appeared that they stomped someone to death Cetacea Aug 2019 #24
While I appreciate the heart of these protesters... Zoonart Aug 2019 #27
Remember, HK did not get "democratic" until right before the British left... TomVilmer Aug 2019 #28
We should absolutely support HK but the UK needs to take the lead tymorial Aug 2019 #32
Okay so this actually made me cry. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #35
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