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loyalsister

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68. I didn't see it

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:59 AM

Aug 2019

If I had I hope I would have offered support for you but I don't always speak up when I should.
I have seen as much casual ableism, homophobia, racism, misogyny, and religious bigotry here as I have in my local progressive circles. Whether it's ignoring accessibility needs or subtle disregard for the value of people by reinforcing a narrative of natural superiority based on bodily features and functionality having generally progressive ideas does not always mean that someone is going to get everything right.
I have found myself way outnumbered many times. The sentiment of discomfort as reason to ban people from public space was the basis for ugly laws. When it comes to including people with disabilities, we have not come very far.

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So - if this is the general concensus as to disabilities, it may be time for me to leave DU. [View all] Ms. Toad Aug 2019 OP

I guess I missed something xmas74 Aug 2019 #1

It was a thread about a child with disabilities - and there are a lot of DU members Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #6

Why would you even think a few responses equals a consensus here at DU? blm Aug 2019 #2

That's why I'm asking - but when 3 of 3 responses in 24 hours suggest Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #5

That usually means the thread dropped as eyes are glued to other matters blm Aug 2019 #12

Generally - Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #19

The responses may have been skewed in that only those with strong 'anti' opinions clicked in Chemisse Aug 2019 #102

I understand your concern and how you could see those responses as representative. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #76

She is right: it wasn't a few responses obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #82

I'm sorry I didn't respond to the earlier OP with my thought: elleng Aug 2019 #3

I don't think that's the general consensus here leftstreet Aug 2019 #4

I truly hope that is the case. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #13

Actua, there have been studied that show that negative feelings motivate more comments tblue37 Aug 2019 #38

I saw that thread and didn't comment. Croney Aug 2019 #7

MsToad MLAA Aug 2019 #8

Call me old mshasta Aug 2019 #16

My question to the poster (who expressed a similar sentiment) Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #18

My kids and I were at a family Pizza place, and old couple was chastizing a single mom. TheBlackAdder Aug 2019 #23

I hear you, as I've noticed that as I've gotten older I have far less patience than I use to. MLAA Aug 2019 #66

Call me old too. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #67

sounds like typical modern spoiled "adults" Kali Aug 2019 #9

That's why I reframed it to take the child out of the picture. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #20

Definitely against any kind of exclusion or discrimination. Could be any of us or our family, Hoyt Aug 2019 #10

Thank you. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #11

The homophobic nonsense is very challenging but - unfortunately not terribly surprising. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #15

Outliers MissB Aug 2019 #14

Not surprised there was an alert. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author JimGinPA Aug 2019 #31

Nope obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #83

I too have wished for a Bettie Aug 2019 #93

I didn't see that thread, Ms. Toad, but I would have strongly been on your side of the argument. pnwmom Aug 2019 #21

Thanks - I really was just testing to see where DU is, after a rough day in real life Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #28

No. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #22

It's been a challenging day in real life Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #24

just block them. Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #32

Please don't go. People with disabilites are not "others". EllieBC Aug 2019 #25

While I Understand Your Frustration... JimGinPA Aug 2019 #26

That is what I was hoping to confirm by asking the question outside of the thread. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #33

Whatever the fuck polite society is...fuck them pbmus Aug 2019 #27

You have your opinion and others have theirs. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #29

That's not necessarily true. Non-Trump voters are more highly educated than Trump voters, pnwmom Aug 2019 #35

I have been here since the selection of George Bush wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #57

538: Education, not income, predicted who voted in Trump in 2016. pnwmom Aug 2019 #59

True - but Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #36

I suspect that your respondents were a non-representative self-selected group. Those tblue37 Aug 2019 #30

They are wrong Midnightwalk Aug 2019 #34

Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #37

People with disabilities have every right to live their lives like everyone else. onecaliberal Aug 2019 #39

I had to hide that thread. Iggo Aug 2019 #40

And that's almost as much of a problem Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #42

I usually wade right in, but this one was too close to home. Iggo Aug 2019 #61

I hear you. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #70

Public spaces and persons with disabilities people Aug 2019 #41

Didn't read the thread except to see that Buzz cook Aug 2019 #43

I haven't been to Outback more than twice - Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #44

It was a sincere question. I used to be in retail and restaurant management. I was Tech Aug 2019 #45

My take - and I didn't even venture into that other thread rufus dog Aug 2019 #46

bravo... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #47

One thing I've noticed over a long period of observation jberryhill Aug 2019 #48

+++ still_one Aug 2019 #55

"should also be treated as misbehaving and excluded"? zaj Aug 2019 #49

And here it is - right here in this thread. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #88

Not trying to appall you... zaj Aug 2019 #92

The legal solution - under the ADA - is that the customer cannot be Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #95

That's not a solution... zaj Aug 2019 #98

It absolutely is the solution (not only "a," but "the" solution) Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #99

So here's an example... zaj Aug 2019 #103

It is not a valid legal argument. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #104

Don't you know us better than that by now? eShirl Aug 2019 #50

So basically they were saying, "We don't want 'your/that kind' around here"... WePurrsevere Aug 2019 #51

Competing disabilities perhaps Elmer1007 Aug 2019 #58

My husband is in his kid 60s and is legally deaf now... WePurrsevere Aug 2019 #69

It should be handled in a way that accommodates both parties, Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #72

That is what they said obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #84

stay... handmade34 Aug 2019 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author MFM008 Aug 2019 #53

Outliers. Ilsa Aug 2019 #54

I'm on your side with this... Freedomofspeech Aug 2019 #56

Didn't even open the thread ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #60

This demmiblue Aug 2019 #71

People can definitely be judgmental. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #73

It's very sad ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #75

That's pretty much what my great-niece does with her son Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #89

+1 ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #96

I don't think so stevil Aug 2019 #62

I searched and read the thread you mentioned stevil Aug 2019 #64

I don't think the child or your friend should be excluded. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #63

Stick around, please. Lucid Dreamer Aug 2019 #65

I didn't see it loyalsister Aug 2019 #68

I want to profoundly apologize for my post. MicaelS Aug 2019 #74

Thank you! Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #90

Thanks for generalizing? SlogginThroughIt Aug 2019 #77

I'm not generalizing - I'm asking. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #86

If the manager had gone to the parents arthritisR_US Aug 2019 #78

this topic comes up from time to time but disabilities is a new twist scarytomcat Aug 2019 #79

I suspect that the response would have been very different had Bettie Aug 2019 #80

That is precisely why I asked about my ADULT friend with CP Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #85

They are wrong Bettie Aug 2019 #87

I was appalled by that thread obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #81

There were a couple of people who tried really hard to excuse their bigotry. demmiblue Aug 2019 #91

Can't one stay on DU and still talk about it? treestar Aug 2019 #94

If advocacy of blatant discrimination is acceptable on DU Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #97

I didn't even go into that thread. kcr Aug 2019 #100

Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #101