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RVN VET71

(3,192 posts)
65. My 2 cents
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:24 AM
Aug 2019

If Trump is impeached and his crimes and misdemeanors laid out, slowly and painfully, for the people to see and chew on, Democrats will be less likely to stay home come election, some Trumpers might become a little less inclined to support Trump -- probably not a significant number, but some, and Independents will watch their TVs in earnest and vote in large numbers for whomever the Democrats finally put out there.

If Trump is not impeached, Democrats will still be likely to come out in surging numbers to vote against him, Republicans will still vote for their leader -- maybe with fewer staying home. And Independents, on whom the 2020 election teeters, will be less likely to be impressed with the Democrats and more likely to listen to the both-siders on their TVs and, well, stay home.

Impeachment puts it all on the front line. Impeachment will give Trump weeks and months of bad "optics" and give the Democrats more than ample opportunity to refer to the Mueller report and to Epstein and to Trump's immigrant wives and to the dipping economy brought about by Trump's incompetence and petulance.

Of course, timing is everything here. The Dems must impeach the bastard, of course, but when to start the proceedings? Clearly impeachment proceedings must begin at a time ripe for electoral politics, for the run up to the election. Lay all of his crimes and misdemeanors out on the table, let the GOP stutter and stammer over repeated questions about those crimes and misdemeanors. And then let the voters decide whether they want to try to get their country back or would prefer living in an America run by an authoritarian, criminal enterprise that views them as, in the words of Mittens, "takers" and leeches, vermin to be used to create greater and greater wealth for the wealthiest and greediest.

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Not for the senate... lame54 Aug 2019 #1
So that is a reason to not impeach? kentuck Aug 2019 #3
Just answering the question... lame54 Aug 2019 #5
Because an acquittal is a huge political win for him Recursion Aug 2019 #23
You can call a horse's tail a leg....but that doesn't make it so.... kentuck Aug 2019 #27
That makes no sense Recursion Aug 2019 #28
What will be the optics if the Democrats do not impeach? kentuck Aug 2019 #32
Well, Trump is underwater in every swing state, so hopefully something like they are now Recursion Aug 2019 #33
First of all, the Clinton impeachment was a different situation. kentuck Aug 2019 #37
Come on Recursion Aug 2019 #38
His supporters will love him no matter what... kentuck Aug 2019 #39
I see zero evidence republicans would distance themselves from Trump... LanternWaste Aug 2019 #54
It doesn't matter... kentuck Aug 2019 #59
Senate won't convict SidneyR Aug 2019 #62
Spoken like someone with not a lot of confidence in Democrats... kentuck Aug 2019 #63
They have the option to not refer it to the senate Fullduplexxx Aug 2019 #69
Well, if Moscow Mitch is who Democrats must Bettie Aug 2019 #40
The senate doesn't impeach Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #53
Trump could shoot Moscow Mitch's mother on 6th Ave TheRealNorth Aug 2019 #55
Oh, they absolutely have enough to impeach. bearsfootball516 Aug 2019 #2
No, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #4
I disagree. kentuck Aug 2019 #6
In a democratic system, optics are everything. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #12
I double disagree. A thing may be about more than a singular concept. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #56
Again, the Senate does not Impeach. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #8
Yes it is. His numbers go up. Recursion Aug 2019 #24
And that's a concept we're new to. Could be why we're having problems adjusting to it. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #58
Never implied that... lame54 Aug 2019 #57
They can barely get half the caucus NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #7
In my opinion, that is two separate issues. kentuck Aug 2019 #10
Don't need any evidence dumbcat Aug 2019 #9
But will it change the votes of Democrat or Republican voters...? kentuck Aug 2019 #13
It probably will dumbcat Aug 2019 #20
Almost nobody changes their voting fescuerescue Aug 2019 #22
No. That basically never happens (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #25
However, there are times when voters from both Parties have chosen to sit out an election... kentuck Aug 2019 #29
Yes. spanone Aug 2019 #11
Do you think Democrats will pay a heavy price if they do not impeach? kentuck Aug 2019 #14
Yes I do. Trump will pummel us for not impeaching. He'll do the same if senate doesn't convict. spanone Aug 2019 #15
This is my thinking as well LiberalLovinLug Aug 2019 #48
In the best of circumstances, in my opinion... kentuck Aug 2019 #49
I do not think that an impeachment would happen AFTER Trump won a second term LiberalLovinLug Aug 2019 #50
You may be right about that? kentuck Aug 2019 #52
The question is tirebiter Aug 2019 #16
if they cant get docs, and cant get witnesses to testify, no. mopinko Aug 2019 #17
This, exactly StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #35
Obstruction of Congress is an impeachable offense in itself. kentuck Aug 2019 #44
as soon as he defies a subpoena, the hammer falls. mopinko Aug 2019 #45
Yes, many times over. Qutzupalotl Aug 2019 #18
I agree. kentuck Aug 2019 #19
Just his twitter account Bettie Aug 2019 #41
Yes they do. kacekwl Aug 2019 #21
Republicans in 2019 still think Nixon was treated unfairly and shouldn't have resigned Recursion Aug 2019 #26
It's not the Republicans that have to care... kentuck Aug 2019 #31
I'll blame the Republicans if Trump is still on the ticket. lapucelle Aug 2019 #30
Not yet StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #34
Of course melman Aug 2019 #36
Yes there is enough evidence to for the House to impeach Poiuyt Aug 2019 #42
I think you are right about Pelosi... kentuck Aug 2019 #43
Time it right & put the GOP Senate on trial too bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #46
we need McConnell gone or indicted. Sure we can impeach. librechik Aug 2019 #47
I believe we must impeach Trump LiberalLovinLug Aug 2019 #60
We all had enough evidence two years ago. polichick Aug 2019 #51
The case needs to be strong enough that the Senate cannot avoid it. LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #61
What good is evidence without will? FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #64
My 2 cents RVN VET71 Aug 2019 #65
Is this a trick question? onecaliberal Aug 2019 #66
Strategy, my friend. backscatter712 Aug 2019 #67
Drumpf has to be impeached. Can you imagine the rzemanfl Aug 2019 #68
they have had enough evidence for a long, long time Skittles Aug 2019 #70
I'm starting to wonder if they are being blackmailed. bloom Aug 2019 #71
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