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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
48. That doesn't matter and it has no requirement for war
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 11:44 PM
Aug 2019

From M-W:

The system of separating the various senses of a word by numerals and letters is a lexical convenience. It reflects something of their semantic relationship, but it does not evaluate senses or set up a hierarchy of importance among them.

Either definition is completely acceptable. One is not more valid than the other. There is no word "treasonist" in the dictionary because we have the word traitor.

I don't have to write a sentence that says: "Donald Trump is a traitor to this nation - I mean he committed treason." I simply need to say "Donald Trump is a traitor." When we speak of traitors, the name Benedict Arnold often comes up. Why? Because he committed treason. Yes, we were at war at the time, but that is not a requirement for treason.

Your stated definition of treason is incorrect. The mention of a time of war is no where to be found in the definition in either the dictionary or US Federal Code. I believe the acts of Donald The Chosen are much more in line with the federal definition of treason below, clearly fit the term treason, and therefore, he is a traitor. If there were a word "treasonist" he would fit the likely definition of that word as well.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason
treason noun
trea·​son | ˈtrē-zᵊn

Definition of treason

1 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
2 : the betrayal of a trust : treachery

Finally, war is not required as part of the Federal definition of treason.:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap115-sec2381.htm

18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them OR adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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That actually happened? For real? bitterross Aug 2019 #1
More than one lecture about the meaning of the word "treason" Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #4
Then surely you can provide links to these threads melman Aug 2019 #5
I will be here waiting with you. Tipperary Aug 2019 #14
I suspect we'll be waiting quite a while melman Aug 2019 #15
Or what? Cary Aug 2019 #18
Yes melman Aug 2019 #28
I didn't say it offends me Cary Aug 2019 #33
You didn't have to say it melman Aug 2019 #34
True you also claim to have the power to put words in my mouth Cary Aug 2019 #35
No melman Aug 2019 #36
Except you did Cary Aug 2019 #78
No idea what you're talking about melman Aug 2019 #79
Yeah right Cary Aug 2019 #80
Seriously melman Aug 2019 #82
Oh well Cary Aug 2019 #84
Great melman Aug 2019 #87
That isn't the problem Cary Aug 2019 #88
That's not a problem for me melman Aug 2019 #89
No one said it was a problem for you. Cary Aug 2019 #94
I didn't say they did melman Aug 2019 #95
OH well Cary Aug 2019 #96
Dear Cary, Polly Hennessey Aug 2019 #104
How would you know if I was irritated? Cary Aug 2019 #106
Tons of them stating you have to be at war treestar Aug 2019 #54
And attacking the OP? melman Aug 2019 #55
That would be calling people out and that's against the rules here. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #64
No it wouldn't melman Aug 2019 #71
The OP is calling out posters on DU. former9thward Aug 2019 #90
Not specific posters, by name and post. There's a difference. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #91
I am sure it is to you. former9thward Aug 2019 #93
Yea, I wanna see them too. MuseRider Aug 2019 #85
'traitor' and 'treason' have important distinctions. empedocles Aug 2019 #6
A traitor is "One who commits treason." How's that different? bitterross Aug 2019 #8
You chose the second definition SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #17
'Treason' involves a tough legal standard. empedocles Aug 2019 #19
Correct. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #31
Cold War with Russia,... magicarpet Aug 2019 #51
Doesn't apply. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #57
Can you link to Mueller's comment? former9thward Aug 2019 #92
Ain't nothing "general" about it in the US sir pball Aug 2019 #46
an overt act Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #49
That doesn't matter and it has no requirement for war bitterross Aug 2019 #48
"adheres to their enemies" TwilightZone Aug 2019 #59
If I recall correctly a traitor is someone who commits treason? brush Aug 2019 #32
Many of us were attacked for the treason word malaise Aug 2019 #7
Of course, and you can predict who is going to do that shit. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #9
I think I am hearing echos of the past here already. triron Aug 2019 #66
It really doesn't surprise me. bitterross Aug 2019 #10
It is one thing for caution, entirely another when we can count on Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #11
Remember it well. Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #16
Yeah, I remember those Bettie Aug 2019 #60
Yep I got a few of those as well. triron Aug 2019 #65
Technically it should be sedition rather than treason but the meaning is clear grantcart Aug 2019 #86
Thumbs up Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #97
Depends on how narrow your definition of 'war' is. triron Aug 2019 #99
Sorry but not even close for 3 reasons grantcart Aug 2019 #100
Well articulated! triron Aug 2019 #102
Thanks for a generous reply grantcart Aug 2019 #103
. Ptah Aug 2019 #2
Did they join in 2016? jpak Aug 2019 #3
Here? Got a link? I can't imagine any DUer getting upset for calling an asshole traitor a traitor Autumn Aug 2019 #12
I know someone at DU who gets upset over nonsense all.the time. Cary Aug 2019 #20
Me too! And that person is so passive aggressive and persecuted by gosh! Autumn Aug 2019 #26
The person also loves the "I know you are but what am I?" Cary Aug 2019 #68
+2 Celerity Aug 2019 #67
Some DUers get upset at the loose use of the terms treason and traitor onenote Aug 2019 #58
That's their problem instead of giving a fuck what RW nuts say they need to move on . Autumn Aug 2019 #61
I don't recall posts "attacking" DUers for using the term onenote Aug 2019 #62
I don't consider a discussion an attack. Even most disagreements aren't attacks just Autumn Aug 2019 #63
Some here seem more sensitive than others. cwydro Aug 2019 #73
Hell, I once posed the question if Alex Jones could be sued for libel and slander Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #13
Well, I just skimmed the thread you linked to marybourg Aug 2019 #21
Most of them said no Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #23
You should have studied harder. Ptah Aug 2019 #22
Read the above link Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #24
Has that case gone to trial? Ptah Aug 2019 #27
November 2020 Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #29
I hear you blm Aug 2019 #25
Trump is a traitor. Traitor Trump sharedvalues Aug 2019 #30
Oh my. demmiblue Aug 2019 #37
No kidding. cwydro Aug 2019 #50
Awe. You poor thing. SixString Aug 2019 #38
Wasn't me I agree then and now nt doc03 Aug 2019 #39
Apparently some think it is a laughing matter that such a thing happened to some of us Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #40
I remember someone disagreeing with me once. Codeine Aug 2019 #41
+1000 nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #53
Did you ever get over it? n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #74
I might need to make several OPs about it. Codeine Aug 2019 #81
ok I'll bite - how many? nt msongs Aug 2019 #42
what? link? Demonaut Aug 2019 #43
Link to thread required! Nt USALiberal Aug 2019 #44
You poor thing GusBob Aug 2019 #45
You were right about Republican Traitors and you will be proved right about Epstein njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #47
I view people that stand up for the status quo as invested in that position pecosbob Aug 2019 #52
Kick dalton99a Aug 2019 #56
Sorry, but you're neither so unique as you remember, Eliot, Hortensis Aug 2019 #69
I do remeber Malcolm Nance and a few others saying the 'T' word; even one former Fox news guy. triron Aug 2019 #72
:) Yes, and others on screen media alone, but also Hortensis Aug 2019 #76
I still don't get why Mueller ended his investigation where he did. triron Aug 2019 #110
Yes. The scope allowed may have required it. The investigation Hortensis Aug 2019 #111
If you know you're not crazy, there's no need to let it bother you Sugar Smack Aug 2019 #70
Have you been holding this in for 2 years? nt zackymilly Aug 2019 #75
Ha! Tipperary Aug 2019 #105
"TREASON" has a legal definition marybourg Aug 2019 #77
I remember that too Generic Brad Aug 2019 #83
Several even now on this thread very upset with me for even thinking he is a traitor Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #98
Trump was compromised from the beginning maybe for several decades. gordianot Aug 2019 #101
TRASH THREAD. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #107
had to log on to agree. Obama calls the attacks "circular firing squads" Sunlei Aug 2019 #108
Thanks, but apparently there are still MANY who dont like it when WE call him a traitor Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #112
Between this and you wanting to arrest climate deniers for murder... LanternWaste Aug 2019 #109
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