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In reply to the discussion: Atlas shrugs, Atlas starves. The End. The most fatal flaw in Ayn Rand's book. [View all]blindpig
(11,292 posts)27. If the Party membership was unhappy with Stalin they could have removed him.
Yet there was a party congress well before Trotsky began his tricks. And of course the Nazis and capitalists were responsible for most of the propaganda but Trotsky gave them invaluable ammunition.
If Soviet economic planning was so bad how did they manage to build 50,000 tanks, more than doubling the output of the German industrial giant? And this with their industry in tatters after the first 6 months.
I don't think that Superman could have stopped Barbarossa in the first few months. While German equipment was not so much better than anyone else their tactics, strategy, organization and training were state of the art. I would especially emphasize training and experience. The Germans began training for the next war in the early 20's, draftees trained for 2 years and then one years service, after that they were in the reserves for 20 years. This gave them a huge number of well-trained troops from the git. As noted, couple that with the experience gained in the campaigns in Poland, France and the Balkans and you've got a tremendous advantage. The loss of that experienced personnel to Soviet forces(The same can be seen in the Luftwaffe's fortunes after the Battle of Britain.) was certainly a factor in the Nazi's declining fortunes. The pact was an unfortunate necessity, if it gave Hitler breathing room it also gave that to the Soviet Union. Stalin's primary effect in the war was that of a indomitable, resolute leader. Given the horrendous early losses this cannot be underestimated.
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Atlas shrugs, Atlas starves. The End. The most fatal flaw in Ayn Rand's book. [View all]
Zalatix
Jan 2012
OP
Ooooh, declaring victory. News flash, no one else is raising your hand in victory.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#42
Yeah right. Party members who tried to remove Stalin did not stay around very long.
yellowcanine
Jan 2012
#30
I get it. You think Stalin would have behaved like a democrat if everyone else had.
yellowcanine
Jan 2012
#34
"...neither collectivized agriculture nor centralized industrial planning worked very well
Fool Count
Jan 2012
#51
"Were there arrests, imprisonments and executions? Yes, the Revolution must be defended."
Tommy_Carcetti
Jan 2012
#25
"the sour grapes of Leon Trotsky" - guess an ice pick solved that sour grapes problem, huh?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#37
You've got Russians out there admitting Stalin was a mass murderer - and defending it.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#41
"standing on the shoulders of giants we'll do better next time." you can stand on stalin's shoulders
dionysus
Jan 2012
#47
I don't care where you are at, if you're not a farmer and no one sells you food you will starve
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#33
In some ways I agree but in some I disagree. They key is your term "reasonably equipped"
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#58
You are the one who should let this drop.There is a reason the military teaches survival techniques
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#69
Then I challenge you make good on that. Go find a city slicker and send them out there to do it.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#60
My preferred critique of Galt's Gulch is that of the motor that supposedly provides its power
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#38
Uhh, wrong. the mot fatal flaw in Atlas Shrugged is the perpetual motion machine.
maggiesfarmer
Jan 2012
#45
I like daring libertarians to head off to "Galt's Gulch" without me and not to forget...
reACTIONary
Jan 2012
#72