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Motown_Johnny

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28. So, you have never been to Colorado. To bad

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 03:41 PM

Jan 2012

it is really nice there.

I have never read any Any Rand, and have no intention to ever do so, but I can tell you that living off the land in Colorado is more than just possible. I lived in and around Vail for over 10 years and you can take my word for it, food would not be a problem for anyone who can hunt and/or fish.

Did native Americans starve when they lived in the mountains just because people would not sell or deliver them food? Nope!

Why not focus on all the actual flaws in the book and not make something up?

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Atlas shrugs, Atlas starves. The End. The most fatal flaw in Ayn Rand's book. [View all] Zalatix Jan 2012 OP

Only the last one would starve wtmusic Jan 2012 #1

Yep, like a pack of rabid, cannibal weasels MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #6

illustrated..... blindpig Jan 2012 #2

Isn't it ironic? Ayn Rand fled from the tyranny of Josef Stalin Zalatix Jan 2012 #4

I would dispute your characterization of Stalin. blindpig Jan 2012 #5

Disputing Stalin's mass murders? Huh?!! Zalatix Jan 2012 #7

Uncle Joe was just a swell guy. tritsofme Jan 2012 #10

He purged the party of anyone not a cult of Stalin member. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #11

He killed his own supporters? Interesting. Zalatix Jan 2012 #12

Concerning Stalin... blindpig Jan 2012 #15

Murder in the name of political Purity has its defenders, still. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #16

Got nothin', huh? n/t blindpig Jan 2012 #17

You want me to agree that killing you political enemies is accepted? Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #18

No blindpig Jan 2012 #22

You don't accept anything that goes against your version of reality. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #26

Like I thought. n/t blindpig Jan 2012 #29

Ooooh, declaring victory. News flash, no one else is raising your hand in victory. Zalatix Jan 2012 #42

"Josef Stalin was the elected leader of the Soviet Union,..." Not really. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #23

If the Party membership was unhappy with Stalin they could have removed him. blindpig Jan 2012 #27

Yeah right. Party members who tried to remove Stalin did not stay around very long. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #30

Resources yes, but yet largely undeveloped. blindpig Jan 2012 #32

I get it. You think Stalin would have behaved like a democrat if everyone else had. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #34

That is untrue. They would have been killed first. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #49

"...neither collectivized agriculture nor centralized industrial planning worked very well Fool Count Jan 2012 #51

In the long run, no, neither did. But it begs the question doesn't it? yellowcanine Jan 2012 #70

Most exercises in "what if" alternative history end up being baseless, Fool Count Jan 2012 #71

"Were there arrests, imprisonments and executions? Yes, the Revolution must be defended." Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2012 #25

"the sour grapes of Leon Trotsky" - guess an ice pick solved that sour grapes problem, huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #37

You've got Russians out there admitting Stalin was a mass murderer - and defending it. Zalatix Jan 2012 #41

"standing on the shoulders of giants we'll do better next time." you can stand on stalin's shoulders dionysus Jan 2012 #47

Stalin was one of the most brutal dictators in world history. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2012 #24

you HAVE to be joking. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #36

Millions of dead Ukrainians would disagree with you. BreweryYardRat Jan 2012 #40

Amen to that. He drove Ukranians away from DevonRex Jan 2012 #52

oh jesus... dionysus Jan 2012 #43

OMG. He was evil. DevonRex Jan 2012 #48

that never gets old, lol Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #8

I (mistakenly) rented the movie recently. dotymed Jan 2012 #3

They wouldn't have lived long enough to starve. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #9

It's a stupid book. Hissyspit Jan 2012 #13

Ayn Rand: Antichrist USA_1 Jan 2012 #14

Not to mention, not that good of a writer either. Mediocre at best. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #19

You are too kind. hifiguy Jan 2012 #21

Alluding to Truman Capote's withering criticism of Kerouac. Nicely played. Monk06 Jan 2012 #50

But they are the brilliant ones treestar Jan 2012 #20

So, you have never been to Colorado. To bad Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #28

I don't care where you are at, if you're not a farmer and no one sells you food you will starve Zalatix Jan 2012 #33

that is just wrong, sorry Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #53

In some ways I agree but in some I disagree. They key is your term "reasonably equipped" stevenleser Jan 2012 #58

traps don't need ammo, neither does fishing gear Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #59

I dont know how to make or place traps or nets. why would they? stevenleser Jan 2012 #62

you seem to be grasping at straws Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #65

Have you ever watched "Survivor"? Zalatix Jan 2012 #66

only the first season Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #67

I should let this drop? Because who said so? Zalatix Jan 2012 #68

You are the one who should let this drop.There is a reason the military teaches survival techniques stevenleser Jan 2012 #69

Then I challenge you make good on that. Go find a city slicker and send them out there to do it. Zalatix Jan 2012 #60

get me a time machine and send me back to the late 1800s Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #61

First, your timeline is WAY off. In "Atlas Shrugged" there were jet planes. Zalatix Jan 2012 #63

I said I never read it Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #64

But you make THE POINT about anyone Rex Jan 2012 #31

The final result of Ayn Rand's philosophy is Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #35

My preferred critique of Galt's Gulch is that of the motor that supposedly provides its power stevenleser Jan 2012 #38

Great post! Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #39

Thank you! stevenleser Jan 2012 #46

Really? The book's hero has a perpetual motion machine? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #44

Technicially, Galt's motor is not an example of a perpetual motion machine stevenleser Jan 2012 #54

Okay, the point being... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #56

Yes, not only unlimited, but impossibly easy to create stevenleser Jan 2012 #57

Uhh, wrong. the mot fatal flaw in Atlas Shrugged is the perpetual motion machine. maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #45

See my #54 stevenleser Jan 2012 #55

I like daring libertarians to head off to "Galt's Gulch" without me and not to forget... reACTIONary Jan 2012 #72