Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
24. Why should we STFU? If this were an isolated incident of figures in the Catholic Church
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

saying and doing mean, hurtful, hateful things, then you would have a case. We have no reason to believe that what Groeschel said was not what he has believed all his life. If the Catholic Church had not had such a long history of intolerance, hatred, and repression, we would be much less inclined to be critical.

"...what Father Groeschel said cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

The sexual abuse of a minor is a crime, and whoever commits that crime deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," spokesman Joseph Zwilling said.

David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, said there needs to be consequences for figures like Groeschel, "who say incredibly hurtful and mean-spirited things."


Incredibly hurtful, hateful, mean spirited things such as this:

Cardinal Dolan: Obama's 'gay marriage' support undermines society

Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan is charging President Barack Obama with undermining the “very cornerstone of society” by supporting “gay marriage.”


Bishop hits up flock to beat Referendum 74

The Roman Catholic Bishop of Yakima is hitting up worshipers in the pews of his 41 parishes to donate money to defeat Referendum 74, the same-sex-marriage measure on Washington’s November election ballot.

The Rt. Rev. Joseph Tyson, in a letter to pastors, deliverer 14 talking points and told them: “I am asking you to announce a special parishoner financial appeal” to boost the political warchest to fight marriage equality.

“In addition to informing ourselves and others about R-74, we can contribute to the campaign by using the envelope in this week’s bulletin to make a generous donation to Preserve Marriage Washington,” Tyson wrote.

Preserve Marriage Washington is the group fighting against approval of marriage equality in Washington. Washington, Maryland and Maine will vote on same-sex marriage in November, with indications that at least one and possibly all three states will approve it.


We're not the people who are advocating the spread of hatred, inequality, and intolerance on a daily basis.

The leaders of the Catholic Church are the ones doing this.


Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

That's the true Catholic hierarchy speaking...utterly remorseless BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #1
You can't unring a bell, sir! LeftofObama Aug 2012 #2
Too late, asswipe, your true colors were seen. Scuba Aug 2012 #3
It makes you wonder if " spent my life trying to help others the best that I could" means.... Walk away Aug 2012 #4
This Guy Should Have Been At The Republican Convention. Paladin Aug 2012 #5
He referred to Jerry Sandusky as "this poor guy" davidn3600 Aug 2012 #6
I can't believe that but I will take your word for it. What a stupid perverted fuck!! Monk06 Aug 2012 #17
It is true. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #47
I was speaking rhetorically. It is hard to fathom why the Catholic Church has not weeded out priests Monk06 Aug 2012 #64
Sure, Padre, sure. You said what you meant, and meant what you said. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #7
Apology NOT accepted. Iggo Aug 2012 #8
Im RC, and I think the bishop should defrock him demosincebirth Aug 2012 #9
You can't unsay it, asshole. hifiguy Aug 2012 #10
Too Bad He Isn't Perfect Lacipyt Aug 2012 #11
His own words: mikeytherat Aug 2012 #13
Of course you don't arrest them. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #15
"I didn't mean to commit I crime when I robbed that bank, I just wanted all that money. mikeytherat Aug 2012 #19
He's Clearly Wrong Lacipyt Aug 2012 #20
His remarks were pretty coherent and straightforward to me. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #41
You Do Have An Agenda Lacipyt Aug 2012 #44
Because once again, the blame is being deflected on to the victims. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #14
I Wish I Had Your Powers Lacipyt Aug 2012 #22
Tell us what the Church has done constructively... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #38
I Might Lacipyt Aug 2012 #57
The Church's motivations and intentions in regard to molesting priests AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #39
Uh...there is only ONE correct side here, pal. (And BTW: I've studied the Dark Ages.) WinkyDink Aug 2012 #49
I Wish Life So Simple Lacipyt Aug 2012 #56
"Gotcha" politics? Sounds like the Sarah Palin excuse. Bradical79 Aug 2012 #21
Sarah Palin My Rump Lacipyt Aug 2012 #25
Why should we STFU? If this were an isolated incident of figures in the Catholic Church Zorra Aug 2012 #24
Please Lacipyt Aug 2012 #29
"We" are the people who believe that everyone was created equal and are endowed Zorra Aug 2012 #34
you left out some of his most important work dsc Aug 2012 #31
I Know You Might Not Grasp This Idea Lacipyt Aug 2012 #33
Trust me, we really get it. They hate us, and persecute us constantly, even murder us. Zorra Aug 2012 #35
It sure puts his comments on pedeophilia in perspective though dsc Aug 2012 #36
I Disagree Lacipyt Aug 2012 #45
Your capital-letter defense is a tad knee-jerk itself. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #53
yes it just was an accident dsc Aug 2012 #54
He Deserves The Flak Lacipyt Aug 2012 #58
It's no secret, everyone knows MelungeonWoman Aug 2012 #65
I Love It Lacipyt Aug 2012 #67
actually it is even worse dsc Aug 2012 #59
It Is Indeed Lacipyt Aug 2012 #62
the thing is he was lucid enough to make sure dsc Aug 2012 #63
Do You Understand Lacipyt Aug 2012 #66
He founded Courage which is my problem with him dsc Aug 2012 #68
I Get That Lacipyt Sep 2012 #69
La-di-da. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #52
I forgot about that. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #40
Forget "perfect" - HE'S A BABY FUCKER. Care Acutely Aug 2012 #42
He called child-rape victims "seducers"! WTH does his PhD or AGE have to do with it?? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #48
Sorry, but Confusious Aug 2012 #55
Apology NOT accepted... AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #12
That's a classic remark made by pedophiles when they are cought. "The kid asked for it, wanted it, Monk06 Aug 2012 #16
From 'The New York Times' Lacipyt Aug 2012 #23
Of course they are going to react that way. They HAVE TO. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #37
I"ll Bet You Lacipyt Aug 2012 #51
It's not exactly a new belief Bradical79 Aug 2012 #18
Too little too late. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #26
I need the following... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #27
Apology not accepted... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #28
Um, yeah, when I was DiverDave Aug 2012 #30
'I didn't mean to blame the victim'... how sadly common is that sentiment. redqueen Aug 2012 #32
It's funny how they only apologize when they get caught. hamsterjill Aug 2012 #43
He did so intend to blame the victim. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #46
Even if that's the case, which I doubt it is in most cases aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #50
Don't blame him ... that chair was looking at him longingly ... zbdent Aug 2012 #60
Hope they're investigating this guy. theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #61
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»NY Priest "Apologize...»Reply #24