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hot2na

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22. Trump has continuously given CA the middle finger.

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:12 PM

Aug 2019

Yes California, where I live; 40 Million people and the worlds 6th largest economy.

California gets 55 electoral votes. Wyoming (with 570,000 people) gets 3 electoral votes. In proportion to Wyoming, California should have 210 electoral votes. Why do the people of Wyoming have so much more power to elect a president than the people of California?

OK Vermont is also a small population state but by and large though, the odds are stacked against the big blue states. How else can the Republicans lose the popular votes in all but one election (2004) out of the last 7 general election cycles (34 years), and still win the presidency 3 times.

California is irrelevant in the selection of a President, thanks to the electoral college. That is why someone like Trump can tell the people of CA that they have to do a better job of raking the forests, claim no high speed rail for you, Try to derail its car emission goals (thankfully we fought him in court over that and won), on and on. In response all this California will vote in massive numbers against Trump in 2020 and guess what, It doesn't make any difference.

The Electoral College is broken and needs to be replaced by the popular vote. Anyone who argues against this is wrong.

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The electoral college is in trouble [View all] dajoki Aug 2019 OP

Ding ding ding ding awesomerwb1 Aug 2019 #1

Once Trump is out of office, steps will NEED to be taken to assured none of this ever happens again! Dennis Donovan Aug 2019 #2

The constitution has a large amount of racism baked in. Joe941 Aug 2019 #30

Trump has nothing to do customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #52

The Senate is even worse wryter2000 Aug 2019 #3

You nailed it on the head DENVERPOPS Aug 2019 #4

Growing up, in my government class ... aggiesal Aug 2019 #25

Getting rid of Mitch McConnell and the Speaker's "one man veto" would also be a big help. maddiemom Aug 2019 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author maddiemom Aug 2019 #39

Exactly jmowreader Aug 2019 #40

Which today results in Senators fromm states representing 16% of the population... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2019 #60

I can't agree on the desire to get rid of the Senate jmowreader Aug 2019 #64

Not a bug, it's a feature customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #53

LOL. "At some point, the majority will rise up." Yeah, sure. But who's on dancing with the stars? PSPS Aug 2019 #5

Precisely. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #26

Four happy words: PatrickforO Aug 2019 #6

Thank you Patrick, I will support a National Popular Vote saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #7

If it holds up in court Polybius Aug 2019 #8

Sure it will. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #9

How would it be different than what Maine and Nebraska do? LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #11

I believe the constitutional questioning arises from the actual compact... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #15

Easy solution LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #23

People really don't know what is in the constitution... Joe941 Aug 2019 #33

Yeah, I hear that. It has always tickled me how those Tea Party PatrickforO Aug 2019 #58

It hasn't been challenged because it never changed an election Polybius Aug 2019 #35

California wryter2000 Aug 2019 #12

This sounds like a great solution if enough red or purple states sign on. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #20

Saying that the Electoral College is in trouble doesn't mean it is in trouble. elocs Aug 2019 #10

The last two repubs lost the popular vote n/t dajoki Aug 2019 #16

Except we elect our presidents by the electoral vote, not the popular vote. elocs Aug 2019 #47

Bush v Gore n/t dajoki Aug 2019 #48

But Bush was reelected president in 2004 and won the popular vote that election. n/t elocs Aug 2019 #49

But the whole thing was sketchy n/t dajoki Aug 2019 #61

I read a story that said it possible tRump could lose popular vote by 4-5 pts... Joe941 Aug 2019 #56

I wanted to get rid of the EC before 2016 JonLP24 Aug 2019 #43

I'm of the opinion that it's not the EC in general, PRETZEL Aug 2019 #13

Since gerrymandering is perfectly ok per the SC exboyfil Aug 2019 #31

We are starting to see gerrymandering being successfully challenged, PRETZEL Aug 2019 #34

I don't have my finger on them now customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #54

Didn't realize that there wouldn't have been a change to the outcomes PRETZEL Aug 2019 #62

Saying the electoral college is biased towards white people is not accurate. docgee Aug 2019 #14

agree, and disagree stopdiggin Aug 2019 #24

What was racist about the EC customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #55

The Electoral College won't ever be in trouble until a Republican president loses it... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #17

The EC is here to stay, thinking that it can be changed, even by the compact is wistful grantcart Aug 2019 #27

And Trump whined about it and complained about the legitimacy exboyfil Aug 2019 #32

A RE-CONSTITIONAL Convention...... suston96 Aug 2019 #18

Tyranny of the Minority matt819 Aug 2019 #19

It's a play on the phrase used by the FF to justify the EC. To prevent a "tyranny of the majority" Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #45

First, the title of the artcle is alarming and doesn't reflect what is going on Perseus Aug 2019 #21

Trump has continuously given CA the middle finger. hot2na Aug 2019 #22

CA's 55 votes are pretty important stopdiggin Aug 2019 #29

Taxation without representation kurtcagle Aug 2019 #36

It should be less irrelevant now because their primary will be earlier: pnwmom Aug 2019 #37

The Pro-slavery College was created to maintain slavery Dorn Aug 2019 #28

Yes and no. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #42

Good. Just think, we'd have HRC in office right now if it weren't for the #$%$#@#$ E.C. Blue Owl Aug 2019 #41

No it isn't. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #44

As Much as I like Wishful Thinking ... PBC_Democrat Aug 2019 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #50

Minority rule will result in The Wizard Aug 2019 #51

One Person, One Vote not_the_one Aug 2019 #57

Kick dalton99a Aug 2019 #59

AOC's comment about affirmative action is spot on Shanti Mama Aug 2019 #63

K&R real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #65