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RZM

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121. Everyone needs to calm down here

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 04:00 PM

Jan 2012

So far, this looks like a standard case of bureaucratic bungling, which was made possible by the girl's lying about her identity. ICE probably should have figured out what was going on here, but it's not the first time the system has failed. These kinds of things do happen from time to time. Mistakes are inevitable in large institutions like this. Doesn't mean we shouldn't take people to task when they happen, but it's not out of the ordinary at all.

Remember this?

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-03-12/us/inv.flight.school.visas_1_huffman-aviation-ins-student-processing-center-tourist-visas?_s=PM:US

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WTF??? a 14 year old **American** girl is deported to Bogata and is now in jail there?????? [View all] Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 OP

And has been told (according to her grandmother) she has to pay for the ticket home. spooky3 Jan 2012 #1

jeeez spanone Jan 2012 #2

Her own fault for being a runaway of the wrong skin tone LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #3

or using a false identity who was also her Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10

She's fourteen. EFerrari Jan 2012 #43

I would wager most 14 year old's don't have similar problems. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #54

What does that mean to you? EFerrari Jan 2012 #71

What crimes should 14 year old's be exempted for? If she was who she said she was, should she Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #83

If anything, there was a crime committed against her by the agencies entrusted EFerrari Jan 2012 #91

You did not answer: If she had been who she claimed to be, should she have been deported? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #92

she shouldn't be deported for crimes she didn't commit CreekDog Jan 2012 #100

If you claim to commit crimes, then sometimes you are punished for those crimes. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #105

while announcing your ignorance of the topic CreekDog Jan 2012 #114

Please release the details of the case you worked on. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #122

At 14 years old, if she had committed those crimes, she would have had the same warrant out for her riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #141

Please link to where 22 year old's prints were on file. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #212

yes, if a 14 year old says the wrong thing, it's okay to deport them to Colombia CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

If she claimed she was responsible for another crime and all that existed was her claim Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #125

what if she wants to drink? CreekDog Jan 2012 #137

If you can't be identified, but have committed a crime what is your suggestion? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #138

you're saying to punish the unidentified child for a crime of an identified adult? CreekDog Jan 2012 #140

this girl identified herself. NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #144

and if she said she was Halle Berry, would you serve her alcohol? CreekDog Jan 2012 #145

you see no difference between the two claims? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #148

you think what happened to her was okay, you think ICE was careful enough CreekDog Jan 2012 #152

Never said any of that. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #155

But law enforcement should have waited for verification from the fingerprints xmas74 Jan 2012 #180

Please point to what you have read. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #181

CBS News xmas74 Jan 2012 #188

But we do not know if hers or her claimed identity's finger prints were on file. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #189

they should verify that you are who they *think* you are CreekDog Jan 2012 #175

I don't disagree. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #179

I used to work in a police department. xmas74 Jan 2012 #182

So if no one claimed you, would you be detained indefinitely? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #184

You would go in front of a judge xmas74 Jan 2012 #190

Interesting. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #192

If you do not seem as though you are xmas74 Jan 2012 #198

so if I get pulled over for a DUI and say that I'm Joseph Mengele CreekDog Jan 2012 #186

I will wait for more info on the case. I suggest you do the same. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #187

You're a flight risk. xmas74 Jan 2012 #199

She should have claimed to be Tahitian Scairp Jan 2012 #174

Just out of curiosity Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #178

Um yeah Scairp Jan 2012 #183

Agree completely and I can't believe people who defend ICE/DHS on this think they can't be competent CreekDog Jan 2012 #196

The police polmaven Jan 2012 #73

She was 14 and no, they fucked up bigtime by not even checking. Rights, my granny. nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #93

you're saying that if they deport a 12-13 year old, they checked thoroughly enough for you? CreekDog Jan 2012 #101

She is getting younger? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #106

apparently none CreekDog Jan 2012 #113

I had heard in another article that she was 14 when deported. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #123

No, she's older now Scairp Jan 2012 #202

But in NY walerosco Jan 2012 #117

is she 14 now? barbtries Jan 2012 #74

She's 15 now, 14 when deported. tammywammy Jan 2012 #78

She didn't have a boyfriend obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #61

That was my first thought ... etherealtruth Jan 2012 #201

You know how common is for runaway kids to nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author October Jan 2012 #209

so what has she been doing in Colombia to survive? Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #4

Well Colombia officials gave her a work card and she is reportedly pregnant. RC Jan 2012 #6

From the OP article: tammywammy Jan 2012 #9

Now the whole thing makes even less sense Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #12

Not everyone knows to contact the State Department, let alone that there is one. nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #15

a 15 yr old knows how to pick up a phone and dial, anyway. seabeyond Jan 2012 #19

That very well could be true but it doesn't have anything to do with my reply. justiceischeap Jan 2012 #20

i am not arguing the exportation. you had stated state dept seabeyond Jan 2012 #21

I was replying to the guy that stated she should have called the State Dept. justiceischeap Jan 2012 #30

wink, lol. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #32

2 guys arrested in Ala for being "illegals" dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #76

Are you going to tell us what happened to them? nt DocMac Jan 2012 #135

They threatened to sue dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #143

Thanks for the info. nt DocMac Jan 2012 #158

i know, that was just an example... Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #35

Thinking back to what I would do Charlemagne Jan 2012 #47

I would have known to find an embassy, but only because I remember what happened in Iran... Ian David Jan 2012 #40

At age 15 I wouldn't have known to look for Ilsa Jan 2012 #38

Even though I suspect she didn't want to go home justiceischeap Jan 2012 #49

couldn't get access to a phone but could update facebook?? Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #107

Because she didn't want to be found metalbot Jan 2012 #39

She didn't have a 30-year-old boyfriend obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #42

Thank you for this post. So appropriate. October Jan 2012 #210

We have juvenile courts for precisely these cases. EFerrari Jan 2012 #50

I doubt a presumed illegal alien would be tried in juvenile court. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #55

It was very easy to show she wasn't the wanted Colombian woman obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #63

You worked on the case as well? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #89

The finger prints would show that she's not the wanted woman. neverforget Jan 2012 #149

So we're sure she had fingerprints on file? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #156

are you seriously trying to defend ICE? fascisthunter Jan 2012 #206

No. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #213

Why? Documented or not, they are still human and when minors, still juveniles. EFerrari Jan 2012 #69

I do not believe there is a juvenile immigration court. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #90

CPS, juvenile authorities and immigration work together all the time. nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #96

Yes, but if you are being charged with immigration violations then you go to the appropriate court. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #97

The system failed her because she was a minor. n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #52

It failed her because of her lies and her insistense on sticking with them. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #57

Wrong -- they didn't do due diligence obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #65

You oversaw the case? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #85

I imagine your absolutist conclusion warrants the same... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #102

My conclusion is anything but absolute Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #104

a most absolute statement, with no room for variation or interpretation... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #159

That is definitely a part of it. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #160

Yet still an absolute statement lacking any relevant proofs LanternWaste Jan 2012 #166

No proof she lied? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #168

You may believe or disbelieve anything you want to... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #169

Since neither or either may or may not have happened or not happened somewhere or nowhere then Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #170

However you imply that you know... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #172

Her lies don't explain how ICE failed to see through the false identity. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #72

Speculation. Not sure what was on file for the drug mule. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #86

SO, a 14 year old can fool ICE... that is so embarrassing fascisthunter Jan 2012 #207

Yes, can happen. Frank Abagnale also fooled a lot of adults. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #214

OK, now it's starting to add up... Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #108

That can't be 15 and 20 dollars. It must be pesos.nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #46

What in the holy fucking hell was that! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #5

wtf fishwax Jan 2012 #7

That is. Seriously. Fucked. Up. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #8

Two wrongs don't make a right! MADem Jan 2012 #11

She's lucky a drone didn't take her out permanently. Octafish Jan 2012 #13

Horrible. It's sad that Ibrahim al-Banna, the drone target allowed civilians near him. msanthrope Jan 2012 #22

Why is that? RZM Jan 2012 #112

The fact they carry them out at all is the problem. Octafish Jan 2012 #127

I see your point RZM Jan 2012 #129

The authorities determined the girl was a wanted woman and kicked her out of the country. Octafish Jan 2012 #131

You'd have a better point if the girl had given her real name RZM Jan 2012 #134

I hope she learned her lesson surfdog Jan 2012 #14

I hope when the government comes for you someone is there to speak up for you, because coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #16

Excuse me ? surfdog Jan 2012 #18

and if you did lie to the police Enrique Jan 2012 #24

If I told them I was a Columbian drug mule they might. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #58

Who didn't match the description obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #64

They had her fingerprints on file? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #84

We have federal standards for child abuse prevention. We have juvenile court systems. EFerrari Jan 2012 #53

She's a kid for Gods sakes... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2012 #154

Another person who needs to announce the usage of the ignore list joeglow3 Jan 2012 #44

You make it sound like this was the Dreyfus case or something RZM Jan 2012 #116

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #151

You don't have to pity the girl but the police are in the wrong here too justiceischeap Jan 2012 #17

I agree surfdog Jan 2012 #23

let's NOT blame the police Enrique Jan 2012 #25

John McCain is that you? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #26

Here's a fact some of you just can't handle surfdog Jan 2012 #28

Here's a fact. She was 14. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #56

Did she change her fingerprints to teh wanted woman's? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #66

She was a 14 year old kid who knew she was in trouble for running away. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #77

I would probably tell the truth when they took me to the airport. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #88

The odds for black kids are probably better in Russian Roulette. EFerrari Jan 2012 #94

So, you don't think it is the duty of the police or ICE justiceischeap Jan 2012 #31

Which appears as absurd as blaming a deportation... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #103

She was a 14-year-old kid obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #41

This is where DU confuses me joeglow3 Jan 2012 #48

Please link to where I said that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #60

Never said I blamed you. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #133

Compare the posters here with the posters on that thread. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #62

Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #68

Any case of "everyone" on DU agreeing on anything involving kids is fictitious. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #194

You're a little late. I addressed this already. nt. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #197

she doesn't need your pity, nor does she need anything else from you DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #79

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #82

Most ridulous thing I've read on this thread so far n/t ceile Jan 2012 #161

But, but, but...she "Looked" Columbian.... nt NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #27

Oh please stop already surfdog Jan 2012 #29

I believe this young woman is African-American... so, um, yeah. nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #33

Yep... WillyT Jan 2012 #51

Is it just me, or do others think rusty fender Jan 2012 #34

not just you G_j Jan 2012 #37

That's what I thought the first time I heard the name obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #45

I think so too. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #67

Sadly, even the Gestapo was at least halfway competent in their duties Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #124

criminal negligence nt G_j Jan 2012 #36

By the way . . . the name of the country in which Bogata is located is spelled C-O-L-O-M-B-I-A Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #59

Bogot� Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #70

Touche! Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #95

African American malaise Jan 2012 #75

What? RZM Jan 2012 #120

Honey, having a permanent tan and permed hair has always been enough Ecumenist Jan 2012 #200

The poor thing Marrah_G Jan 2012 #80

From the sounds of it, she wanted to leave the country... octothorpe Jan 2012 #111

It boggles the mind how they could mistake her for a 22 year old Columbian woman Marrah_G Jan 2012 #118

ICE might not have realized she was 14 treestar Jan 2012 #81

According to a report on MSNBC, they did come back. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #126

Maybe ICE should have access to that database treestar Jan 2012 #128

Apparently she picked an associate of her boyfriend flamingdem Jan 2012 #132

He was NOT her boyfriend, please quit saying that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #147

Well, she's not white, so she's not a "real" American... arbusto_baboso Jan 2012 #87

If we didn't follow policy in veifying ID, then ultimately we're to blame, but the girl aikoaiko Jan 2012 #98

How many people allowed this to happen without questioning it? octothorpe Jan 2012 #110

This story seems to be an excuse for outrage generation flamingdem Jan 2012 #115

they deported a 14 year old girl....... Marrah_G Jan 2012 #119

No. The real story appears to be complex. flamingdem Jan 2012 #130

She is Fourteen Years Old Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #139

She could have contacted her family or told immigration at any time flamingdem Jan 2012 #150

Your complete awareness of her family/home situation fascinates me. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #195

I just checked out her FB page ecstatic Jan 2012 #142

Everyone needs to calm down here RZM Jan 2012 #121

Apparently she is a liar, a thief and an idiot. Don't we have more than enough Republicans already Fourier Jan 2012 #136

Outrageous. Unacceptable! n/t Catherina Jan 2012 #146

Actually this is a funny story. Well, except for her getting pregnant, but otherwise humorous. Quartermass Jan 2012 #153

i'm sorry you feel the Dept. of Homeland Security staff can get tricked by a 14 year old CreekDog Jan 2012 #157

I'm sorry you think they're Gods and can make no mistakes. Quartermass Jan 2012 #165

i'm tired of foolishness --is this the only person with that name in the world? CreekDog Jan 2012 #167

Stop the hyperbole. Quartermass Jan 2012 #171

Woohoo! Get to use my favorite "facepalm" ceile Jan 2012 #162

I imagine an older gentleman would rationalize his actions the same way after a younger teen.. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #173

This issue is not the same thing as child molestation. I love the stealth insult there. Quartermass Jan 2012 #177

I agree with you. Lasher Jan 2012 #203

Thank you. Quartermass Jan 2012 #208

UPDATE: Jakadrien is on her way home now pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #163

She will catch hell from granma flamingdem Jan 2012 #164

Grandma says she's not mad pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #185

WTF about getting deported yet i was a cathar Jan 2012 #176

There are many run-aways... for many reasons October Jan 2012 #211

You can get deported or killed just for livin' in your American skin loyalsister Jan 2012 #191

Well I dodged a bullet Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2012 #193

Did they deport you to Uranus? fascisthunter Jan 2012 #205

We have idiots and jackasses working at ICE fascisthunter Jan 2012 #204