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54. The FS and BLM are doing exactly what the law says.

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 02:40 AM

Sep 2019

The WH & B population has actually increased significantly since the wild free roaming act. Why do you think ranchers are rebelling?

I’m not defending tRump or western ranchers, just laying out some of the basic facts and conditions that make this issue pretty darned complex. Public land management in itself is pretty darned complex let alone an issue that involves the charismatic animal which has the historic/cultural significance, magnificence and emotional appeal of free roaming horses. And again, euthanasia is not the answer let alone an acceptable answer.

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Trump admin pushes to annihilate this wild horse herd on 9/11 . . . public widely opposes [View all] CousinIT Aug 2019 OP

"public wildly opposes" LakeArenal Aug 2019 #1

Dem congress won't let them. Why it's important to have a Dem congress! CousinIT Aug 2019 #2

Go, go, gadget democracy! Newest Reality Aug 2019 #3

Know this Herd quite well. Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #4

"over Grazed by the Cattle and Sheep for decades" CousinIT Aug 2019 #5

and the land (federal or not) belongs to them, because stopdiggin Aug 2019 #9

Fuck cattle ranchers!!!! Coventina Aug 2019 #20

the question is why does the federal government have to feed cattle demigoddess Aug 2019 #22

Cows on public land should be public cows, subject to hunting permits. Coventina Aug 2019 #23

Believe the Grazing Fee Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #24

Silly. Phoenix61 Aug 2019 #26

It has actually been a hot button issue for KPN Aug 2019 #25

The Hot Button area is called the Hamlin Valley Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #29

Ah ... been through the area but no real experience KPN Aug 2019 #34

Glad you enjoyed your Hike. Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #37

It doesn't have to be complex: STOP SUBSIDIZING RANCHERS Coventina Aug 2019 #33

The Trump Admin Death Machine marches on. Human beings, horses, the planet itself... Hekate Aug 2019 #6

And mounted for a trophy. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #7

he is so sick!! Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #8

Good reply Hecate real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #11

Caged or dead??? bdamomma Aug 2019 #31

welfare ranchers StarryNite Aug 2019 #10

Fuck all cattle ranchers!! I hope they go out of business!!! Coventina Aug 2019 #21

Exactly! StarryNite Aug 2019 #30

Making themselves more wealthy is ALL Duppers Sep 2019 #41

Some of them are very, very wealthy StarryNite Sep 2019 #49

And many are legislators... 2naSalit Sep 2019 #59

interested in the "fertility control" and whether that could be effective stopdiggin Aug 2019 #12

Yea, I'd think that would be the best option - sort of like TNR for cats. CousinIT Aug 2019 #13

Fertility control has been used with some success. KPN Aug 2019 #28

Horses are native to North America StarryNite Aug 2019 #32

Matter of opinion I'm afraid. Horses were extirpated KPN Aug 2019 #35

The evolution of the horse began in North America StarryNite Sep 2019 #48

The FS and BLM are doing exactly what the law says. KPN Sep 2019 #54

Don't want the horses killed. But the opinion you are expounding is reaching IMO. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #45

Yup. And complicated from a cultural history, KPN Sep 2019 #52

It's happening now KPN. StarryNite Sep 2019 #55

It happens sometimes in roundups which have KPN Sep 2019 #60

Ever hear of Wildlife Services? StarryNite Sep 2019 #53

"...require the BLM to utilize fertility control as an alternative..." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2019 #14

Wow! Just learned something new Duppers Sep 2019 #42

Just checked their website. PETA supports spaying and neutering. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2019 #58

Forage Intake: Horse versus Cattle Bayard Aug 2019 #15

The castration of free-roaming stallions is a high risk, invasive surgical procedure fraught with in2herbs Aug 2019 #18

Source, please? Bayard Aug 2019 #36

Here is one NickB79 Aug 2019 #38

Not buying it Bayard Sep 2019 #63

My only experience with horses is domesticated ones on farms NickB79 Sep 2019 #67

Just watching a number of programs Duppers Sep 2019 #44

Great post. Most informative. Duppers Sep 2019 #50

I don't know enough about this specific herd to make a sensible comment, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #16

On September 29, 2012 in an article titled "All the Missing Horses: What Happened To The Wild Horses in2herbs Aug 2019 #19

The sterilization of wild horse mares is not the same as sterilizing a domesticated pet. Here's in2herbs Aug 2019 #17

Thanks for this enlightening info! nt Duppers Sep 2019 #46

One fact that many here are probably unaware of is that KPN Sep 2019 #61

PZP is a good idea, Bayard Sep 2019 #64

They once thought that Premarin (mare urine) was a good hormone therapy for women, too, and in2herbs Sep 2019 #65

I'm saying, Bayard Sep 2019 #66

Absolutely! 👍👍 Duppers Sep 2019 #68

It's not the vet, it's the problem of observing and/or treating any post-surgery infection in a in2herbs Sep 2019 #70

This post and discussion is very informative. Thanks CousinIT. underpants Aug 2019 #27

Natural populations need predators to keep numbers in check NickB79 Aug 2019 #39

So this is ultimately about cattle? flvegan Sep 2019 #40

My point exactly. Killing horses so that we can kill cattle. It's dumb. Coventina Sep 2019 #43

+1 CousinIT Sep 2019 #57

+100 Duppers Sep 2019 #47

omg Kali Sep 2019 #51

Yeah MFM008 Sep 2019 #56

I Despise these fuckers ismnotwasm Sep 2019 #62

AND another thing (back on my soapbox) Bayard Sep 2019 #69

Who knows what Trump thinks will happen to the horses, that is not the lesson. When the amount in2herbs Sep 2019 #71