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StarfishSaver

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61. How do you think impeachment happens?
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 09:01 AM
Sep 2019

You're obviously very knowledgeable, so surely you know impeachment doesn't just happen in a vacuum with the House voting on it with no foundation. It occurs after an investigation when the House votes on articles of impeachment recommended by the Judiciary Committee.

And while it's easy to claim that "any competent person could draft dozen of counts stating 'high crimes and misdemeanors' committed by Trump," it's not enough to "state" Trump has committed impeachable offenses. Articles of impeachment must be backed up by serious, solid evidence, not just information we've read in the papers and seen on TV. And although you think what you've learned so far is enough to support impeachment, most people who've seen and heard the same things we have don't agree, so a much stronger case must be built. That's exactly what the Committee is doing now.

The Committee has said repeatedly and every which way from Sunday that it's conducting an investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. They're methodically gathering evidence and, as part of that investigation, they're in court - several courts, in fact - seeking additional critical testimony and documents to be used against Trump. They may not be putting on a dog and pony show as they do this, which is a good thing since even though that would be entertaining and satisfying to many of us, it won't get them what they need at this point. This stage of an investigation is an unsexy slog, but must be done to get to the part we all want to see.

What else do you think they should get doing that they're not doing? Do you believe they're just supposed to throw together some articles of impeachment now with evidence that's so far been insufficient to convince the public Trump should be impeached and have the measure voted down by a majority of the House (including a majority of the Democrats)? Or should Pelosi not even wait for the Committee to do its work but force a floor vote on impeachment with no articles and have THAT vote lose by a large majority, as well?

People keep demanding impeachment, but now that the House is doing exactly what it needs to do to get to impeachment - which is a process, not a thing - they're attacking them for not having impeached yet. This complaining makes no sense to me. I don't understand why you're not willing to let them do what they need to do to get the result you want instead of criticizing them for not doing something that not only won't get you the result you say you want but will actually result in getting nothing (or get an even worse result - since the last thing we need is to have a Democratic House overwhelmingly reject impeachment a year before the election).

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+100000000000000000 Faux pas Aug 2019 #1
Can you tell me, what is that number? Control-Z Aug 2019 #56
Lol I have no idea, guess I Faux pas Aug 2019 #58
Aha! Control-Z Sep 2019 #60
Then log off and turn off the TV.......simple. virgogal Aug 2019 #2
That's exactly what that would be: "simple". Atticus Aug 2019 #4
american liberals continue the biggest political mistake in history and are missing certainot Aug 2019 #29
how do you destroy RW radio? (nt) stopdiggin Aug 2019 #33
artificial intelligence makes it easy, cheap to digitize talk radio - ad industry will do the work certainot Aug 2019 #46
Trump commits an impeachable offense every morning before breakfast. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #3
Right on! Magoo48 Aug 2019 #31
I can no longer watch Rachel Maddow's show because of this. Yavin4 Aug 2019 #5
+1. After 30 seconds of that, I figure a jury would fall asleep, and no chance Senate would care. Hoyt Aug 2019 #27
The House is back in session September 9. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #6
Hand written letters get more attention, and we don't need to wait till Sept 9. Meadowoak Aug 2019 #16
Why is it every time I mention calling your MOCs, someone tells me that's not good enough? CrispyQ Aug 2019 #19
Can't we do both? Meadowoak Aug 2019 #20
But you're not... brooklynite Aug 2019 #22
By the time they get letters the crises will have moved on fivefold lunatica Aug 2019 #36
Would have to teach millennials how to write letters. miyazaki Aug 2019 #41
K&R, I'm sick of the lack of focus on Red Don's government enablers !! We need hyper focus on why... uponit7771 Aug 2019 #7
If We Impeach - Then How Will You Handle MoscowMitch And The Repugs Saving Trump In The Senate?..nt global1 Aug 2019 #8
How will "I" handle it? I'll hang their refusal to convict the obviously guilty POS around Atticus Aug 2019 #10
+1,000,000 Efilroft Sul Aug 2019 #14
That is the obvious tactic to take. I don't get the resistence and willingness to PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #15
This, absolutely and completely! calimary Aug 2019 #21
Exactly! Not enough outrage --election protection Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Atticus Aug 2019 #13
...because after the Senate saved Clinton, the GOP was so badly hurt by it? FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #17
This is like comparing a fireworks sparkler to an atomic bomb. triron Aug 2019 #49
If he's impeached and not convicted, he'll score it as a victory. LisaM Aug 2019 #40
So, the winning strategy is "Don't ever take any chances." Unless we are (somehow)guaranteed to win Atticus Aug 2019 #53
The problem is that he's not normal. LisaM Aug 2019 #57
I feel the same way. It's like we are sheep waiting for the next pronouncement to excite or depress jalan48 Aug 2019 #9
I'll go a step further. The Republicans won't remove him from office, so the voters have to do it. yardwork Aug 2019 #11
We must concentrate on the strategy that can get rid of trump. empedocles Aug 2019 #12
:) What's taking you so long?! But surely not just one reason? Hortensis Aug 2019 #18
I only watch Rachel Maddow and my local news. blueinredohio Aug 2019 #23
Amen to the highest power Atticus. It is all aboit Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #24
Amen!!!!!! Catch2.2 Aug 2019 #25
What they are doing to the asylum seekers at the southern border lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #28
no win situation for us AlexSFCA Aug 2019 #30
Capitalism morphing into fascism has muted, destroyed any spine, backbone, moxey, political will yaesu Aug 2019 #32
At the rate things are going, Trump will finish his term(s) without a blemish on his record. dalton99a Aug 2019 #34
I agree. Just ITMF now and get it over with. KPN Aug 2019 #35
Atticus, One cannot care too much, but the frustration is a killer. Painful. Just hang in there! Karadeniz Aug 2019 #37
Personally, I think we need to consult Boris Johnson bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #38
If nothing (i.e. impeachment) ever gets done ... aggiesal Aug 2019 #39
I had to shut off the Rachel Maddow show infullview Aug 2019 #42
That's what I'm bdamomma Aug 2019 #55
Tell it!!! Still Waiting for the Call to a Big March on Washington! McKim Aug 2019 #43
so, I gotta ask.... quickesst Aug 2019 #44
Agree keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #45
Impeachment would take a lot of time and effort. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2019 #47
For the most part I agree. We certainly don't need any more reasons for impeachment. cwydro Aug 2019 #48
The investigation of Trump continues Progressive dog Aug 2019 #50
I definitely care that the Republicans in the Senate will not convict Trump, but I refuse to accept Atticus Aug 2019 #54
Democrats need to collect evidence and make that evidence public. Progressive dog Sep 2019 #65
Yes of course , I've read several stories just kacekwl Aug 2019 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Aug 2019 #52
Thank you. Joe941 Aug 2019 #59
How do you think impeachment happens? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #61
We obviously disagree, but nothing demonstrates how differently we see things as your Atticus Sep 2019 #62
You and I agree that he deserves impeachment StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #63
I agree completely but it doesn't hurt to keep track because Mike 03 Sep 2019 #64
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