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65. Sometimes the right thing to do and the political calculation can be one in the same

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 12:59 PM

Sep 2019

That is what those who don't favor impeachment fail to understand.

"As I said, anyone dumb enough to refuse to vote against Trump because he wasn't impeached can't be trusted to vote against him if he IS impeached

Who said they just have to flat out refuse to votes against Trump? They could just be lazy or forgettable, because their not motivated enough to get off their ass and go vote. We have enough historical data to predict that when a political party doesn't give it's base what it wants it leads to a negative outcome.

I actually think we will beat Trump rather we impeach him or not, but if we don't impeach him I doubt we take back the Senate. Some of us aren't just thinking about the next election. We are thinking about the next election and the one after that and the one after that.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] mysteryowl Sep 2019 OP

If people don't vote then they have no say in the outcome of the election. That is not very smart. walkingman Sep 2019 #1

I know that, but people need action from Rep. Pelosi and dem majority mysteryowl Sep 2019 #2

Bless your heart. "People" do NOT want action and say NO. Hortensis Sep 2019 #19

This! mcar Sep 2019 #22

Well said. ++++++ still_one Sep 2019 #55

"Sizable majority" of Dems? Source ref please... Magoo48 Sep 2019 #82

Sizeable majority of the entire population still does NOT want impeachment. Source... Hekate Sep 2019 #88

Thanks, Hekate. As said, all recent polls. Hortensis Sep 2019 #97

They don't know what they want Butterflylady Sep 2019 #120

Here? Don't you mean out "there"? Hortensis Sep 2019 #121

Right...everything happening now is totally cool Bettie Sep 2019 #117

Well, we might have argued this point before. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #164

And if that action EMPOWERED THE REPBULICANS to enlarge Hortensis Sep 2019 #167

However G_j Sep 2019 #198

:) No one does, G_j. But let's face it, very few people listen Hortensis Sep 2019 #199

Shit, the idiot has been on a rampage, and Democratic leaders are nowhere to be seen on TV dalton99a Sep 2019 #3

It is very discouraging dems are so quite. I don't get it. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #5

Who is your rep? nt SunSeeker Sep 2019 #20

Who is your representative? Hekate Sep 2019 #89

Are they invited on shows? Remember all media gives cons a 4-1 advantage in Eliot Rosewater Sep 2019 #126

With 135 members in favor of impeachment hearings, she will have to do something. femmocrat Sep 2019 #4

This is encouraging. I hope you are right. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #26

135 out of 435. -- not gonna cut it yet stopdiggin Sep 2019 #49

Bazinga! George II Sep 2019 #51

Why? That leaves her 82 votes short of the number needed to pass a resolution. onenote Sep 2019 #98

Impeachment does not remove Trump from office redstateblues Sep 2019 #6

We all know the senate's role mysteryowl Sep 2019 #10

Of course " impeachment in the house can happen without being sent to the senate for a vote." pangaia Sep 2019 #67

It doesn't have to go to the Senate for trial. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #155

I oppose impeachment Locutusofborg Sep 2019 #70

"We all need action" ehrnst Sep 2019 #174

If the House never moves to impeach, he will go on a victory parade. SunSeeker Sep 2019 #15

He will go on a victory parade even if he's removed by force. The Chosen one isn't sane so that uponit7771 Sep 2019 #21

Tell that to the poster I was responding to. nt SunSeeker Sep 2019 #29

So you're fine with however insanely he might specifically react to an impeachment ehrnst Sep 2019 #183

Yes, he's going to act insane anyway ... I'm thinking he's already going to light a frog nuke uponit7771 Sep 2019 #184

So why even bother with impeachment? Seriously... ehrnst Sep 2019 #185

Exposure, get his approval numbers in the 20s like Nixon and Hitler and if he steals another electio uponit7771 Sep 2019 #186

" I'm thinking he's already going to light a frog nuke" ehrnst Sep 2019 #187

"If you're so sure he's going to nuke everything no matter what" are not my words, they're yours uponit7771 Sep 2019 #188

What is a 'frog nuke" then, and what scenario with Trump dropping a nuke doesn't end ehrnst Sep 2019 #189

Frag nuke is a tactical nuke, and he'll drop it o. Detroit cause there are a lot of brown people uponit7771 Sep 2019 #190

This election is a referendum on Trump. I don't buy the "it will suppress voting" argument redstateblues Sep 2019 #39

If it's a referendum on Trump, an impeachment inquiry will showcase his corruption. SunSeeker Sep 2019 #73

You're conflating an impeachment inquiry with impeachment StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #81

NO you are. Stop with the straw man arguments. I am NOT calling for a vote on articles right now. SunSeeker Sep 2019 #100

Lol StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #109

Thank you SunSeeker LEW Sep 2019 #86

And if the house does nothing he will Bettie Sep 2019 #119

we need to impeach Moscow Mitch RicROC Sep 2019 #7

As if the Republican Senate would do that redstateblues Sep 2019 #11

I think we have a long list of impeachments in the queue. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #12

Impeaching a Senator is not a constitutionally settled matter standingtall Sep 2019 #30

The accepted view is that Senators and House members cannot be impeached. onenote Sep 2019 #99

True but the first person ever impeached was a Senator standingtall Sep 2019 #101

I doubt what happened over 200 years ago means too much. former9thward Sep 2019 #136

True StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #139

right now there is no reason to challenge it because Congress generally agrees standingtall Sep 2019 #142

The President is in the Executive branch. former9thward Sep 2019 #146

Again it already happened though the house already impeached someone in the Senate standingtall Sep 2019 #148

No court will uphold the house impeaching a member of the Senate. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #153

It "already happened" and the Senate rejected the validity FBaggins Sep 2019 #177

Not until after the Senate sent the Sergeant of Arms down to Tennessee to bring Blount to trial in standingtall Sep 2019 #182

That isn't how precedent works FBaggins Sep 2019 #191

The Senate is not a court of law nor does the constitution give the Senate primacy over the standingtall Sep 2019 #193

feel better? CatWoman Sep 2019 #8

about what? mysteryowl Sep 2019 #9

Thank you ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #13

You are welcome mysteryowl Sep 2019 #14

I was talking to CatWoman ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #16

I was responding to you mysteryowl Sep 2019 #23

... CatWoman Sep 2019 #45

This thread is hilarious ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #84

... mysteryowl Sep 2019 #112

Nadler has already started process uponit7771 Sep 2019 #17

Thankfully! mysteryowl Sep 2019 #24

Some people on DU: OPEN AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY NOW! StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #33

+1 sheshe2 Sep 2019 #56

I think you may be onto something mcar Sep 2019 #58

I wonder the same thing. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #71

"might have another agenda" TwilightZone Sep 2019 #79

Some "Why won't they open an impeachment inquiry" people be like: StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #83

Dangit ... I was trying not to think this. A thread on this we can link would prolly help uponit7771 Sep 2019 #85

I wonder why there is not a lot of reporting being done on the fact that Trump is under an mysteryowl Sep 2019 #113

It's not all that quiet to anyone paying attention. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #118

Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet mcar Sep 2019 #124

Good, glad these sources are reporting on it. Now we need the networks to report on it. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #149

Are you serious? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #151

What do you consider to be "mainstream?" (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #175

Citation please? FBaggins Sep 2019 #178

Here you go StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #179

That's strange. Someone must have hacked your account and deleted the citation FBaggins Sep 2019 #180

Lol. Whatever StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #181

Lol indeed. You first. FBaggins Sep 2019 #192

In other words, you have no answer. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #194

What an ironic reply FBaggins Sep 2019 #195

Now you're being ridiculous StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #196

In other words... you can't admit it FBaggins Sep 2019 #197

Right. House is not in session; that's why things are quiet. I am getting impatient anyway. triron Sep 2019 #102

Just because the House isn't in session doesn't mean there's not a lot going on behind the scenes StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #127

Me too, I'm hopeful though uponit7771 Sep 2019 #165

The House is back in session September 9. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #18

I gave up trying, I can't through to my reps office, there is so much national controversy. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #25

Check your rep's website. They often have a local number you can call. Also, CrispyQ Sep 2019 #27

Local numbers are the best. Senators often have several yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #74

Sometimes the only way to get through to Cory Gardner is to call his western slope office. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #76

Nonsense. With Moscow Mitch in the duma, conviction is impossible. PSPS Sep 2019 #28

Trump should be impeached regardless of what Moscow Mitch will do standingtall Sep 2019 #34

Impeached in the house, certain acquittal in the senate, victory lap, "total exoneration." Bad idea. PSPS Sep 2019 #42

Name one President that was impeached in their first term that got reelected? standingtall Sep 2019 #47

Name one former president who, together with the senate majority leader, were russian assets. PSPS Sep 2019 #57

Impeachment is already underway StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #31

No one is going to believe it is a formal impeachment inquiry regardless of what congress says standingtall Sep 2019 #32

First of all, that's not going to happen. And if they tried it, the vote would fail. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #37

If impeachment is going to happen it requires the full house to vote on it standingtall Sep 2019 #38

The House votes on Articles of Impeachment AFTER an investigation StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #40

There are less than 2 years before Nov 2020 standingtall Sep 2019 #44

Nadler said he expects to have a decision on Articles by the end of the year StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #52

An impeachment inquiry is going on right now mcar Sep 2019 #60

Because without it a vote, some people have an excuse to continue to bash Democrats? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #68

Nothing is ever good enough for some mcar Sep 2019 #72

I keep hearing people say wryter2000 Sep 2019 #110

It seems to be just that mcar Sep 2019 #125

The person I was responding to said a vote for an impeachment inquiry would fail standingtall Sep 2019 #122

Common sense says things aren't static and the fact there's not support today to open an inquiry StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #130

What makes you so sure Nadler and Pelosi are even in agreement here? standingtall Sep 2019 #160

Because Nadler has repeatedly said they are StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #161

only 14 months until November of 2020 standingtall Sep 2019 #162

"people who are complaining the loudest ... have another agenda" - Pretty obvious, isn't it? PSPS Sep 2019 #43

Especially when they are also advocating for not voting dansolo Sep 2019 #46

No one here is advocating not voting not everyone is a member of standingtall Sep 2019 #48

How will we lose votes if the House doesn't impeach? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #54

Doesn't matter if it's illogical stupid or otherwise such people exist and we need every vote we can standingtall Sep 2019 #59

As I said, anyone dumb enough to refuse to vote against Trump because he wasn't impeached StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #61

Sometimes the right thing to do and the political calculation can be one in the same standingtall Sep 2019 #65

It's getting to be pretty obvious to me. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #53

Or another, simpler explanation wryter2000 Sep 2019 #111

That is it for me. bdamomma Sep 2019 #35

K&R... spanone Sep 2019 #36

Well, I feel your frustration and agree with you. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #41

we're all frustrated -- that doesn't change the score card stopdiggin Sep 2019 #62

I stand by my remarks. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #66

stand where you want stopdiggin Sep 2019 #75

I don't like your tone, I'm not your enemy. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #80

You say "politics shouldn't come into play" - and then you list several reasons how impeachment can StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #90

He should be impeached because it's the right thing to do. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #93

Interesting StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #106

We both take the same position on this. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #116

Thank you, I appreciate your support. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #154

https://pelosi.house.gov/ or (202) 225-4965 George II Sep 2019 #50

On her official Congressional page, her local numbers yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #77

It's been a must since winning the house in 2018... Joe941 Sep 2019 #63

You reach her through your representative WhiteTara Sep 2019 #64

Can't reach mine. She is under the weight of national controversy and unavailable mysteryowl Sep 2019 #69

write letters to the editor. WhiteTara Sep 2019 #87

Actually, it does matter. You want her to think she has no backing in her home district? Hekate Sep 2019 #91

+1,000,000 StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #92

Some days I swear I wonder ... Regardless, thanks for your comment. Hekate Sep 2019 #94

I will vote no matter what. cwydro Sep 2019 #78

Yes, "vote blue no matter who" mysteryowl Sep 2019 #114

At this point it almost doesn't matter. If he's impeached, the Senate will end it. If, by some Vinca Sep 2019 #95

The House evertonfc Sep 2019 #96

anyone who isn't going to vote becsuse there was no impeachment is a really fucked up JI7 Sep 2019 #103

Calling demoralized Dems "fucked up persons" isn't going to motivate them to vote. nt SunSeeker Sep 2019 #104

so kicking out kids with medical problems that could die JI7 Sep 2019 #105

So kicking out kids to their death isn't enough to impeach? SunSeeker Sep 2019 #107

the number 1 goal is to remove him. i can see people making any excuses not to vote to help trump JI7 Sep 2019 #108

If not impeaching is enough to "demoralize" someone into not voting to remove StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #115

Then wouldn't the same thing be true if there is an impeachment? standingtall Sep 2019 #128

no, because the most important thing is removal JI7 Sep 2019 #132

The most important thing is he is held accountable standingtall Sep 2019 #133

no, YOU are saying that. i recognize majority of white voters WANT someone JI7 Sep 2019 #135

What about the people who don't support him that dont show up to vote? standingtall Sep 2019 #137

if they don't vote for someone else they DO support him JI7 Sep 2019 #138

Not voting for the only person in a position to beat him IS voting for him StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #140

Same thing was true in 2016 too standingtall Sep 2019 #144

My bet is that she comes back Bettie Sep 2019 #123

And when she doesn't say that and lets the impeachment investigation continue StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #131

It would require an enormous amount of time and energy on her part. jalan48 Sep 2019 #129

Kicked and Recommended Doug.Goodall Sep 2019 #134

mysteryowl: go get some Indivisible! ASAP! calimary Sep 2019 #141

Great suggestion, thank you! mysteryowl Sep 2019 #150

I believe that Speaker Pelosi donco Sep 2019 #143

It would then be seen as a total political stunt. former9thward Sep 2019 #147

Pelosi is doing fine. If you want to know delisen Sep 2019 #145

She would need to correctly remember history. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #152

If only the Speaker of the House were as knowledgeable about congressional history, procedure and StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #156

Sadly she isn't. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #158

Lol. Ok. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #159

They should. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #166

Not surprising you won't support your allegation w/ objective evidence. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #169

Thank you SteveDallas mysteryowl Sep 2019 #163

You know more than her???? nt USALiberal Sep 2019 #157

*shakes fist at sky* NANCY!!!!!!!!!! betsuni Sep 2019 #168

You are displaying your immaturity. mysteryowl Sep 2019 #170

That's all some have to offer melman Sep 2019 #171

.... betsuni Sep 2019 #172

Can't you tell by all the emojis that this is hilarious stuff? egduj Sep 2019 #201

How does impeachment 'stop' him from doing anything? ehrnst Sep 2019 #173

What kind of person wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee because articles of impeachment aren't still_one Sep 2019 #176

Oh, good grief! Enough already! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #200