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RedStateLiberal

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116. The 'treatment' of Clint you write about is appropriate.

Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:58 PM

Aug 2012

He chose to speak at the RNC in front of that crowd on prime-time tv. He chose to say what he said and he chose to make that offensive gesture. Calling him out for his own behavior does not mean they're winning. To let them get away with uncivil behavior lets them win IMHO because it just contributes to the problem and encourages such rhetoric to escalate.

If Clint had made a truly inspirational speech about how we should come together and reject the politics of division and hate and rise above all of that, I'd be one of the first to praise him. He didn't. He did the exact opposite and there is no excuse for what he did. What he did is part of the problem and speaking out against that is what DU is suppose to be about.

Everyone should be held accountable for what they say and do regardless of their past achievements or artistic achievements. He made his bed and now he should lie in it.

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I'm amazed more aren't talking about this despicable Eastwood moment. [View all] RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 OP

It's not politically correct tama Aug 2012 #1

Well, I thought it was disgusting. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #2

My point? tama Aug 2012 #8

So, fuck civility? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #11

Identity transfer? tama Aug 2012 #52

This OP is about an inappropriate gesture made in reference to President Obama. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #57

Read the script. tama Aug 2012 #68

Watch the video. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #74

I know that's how you think now tama Aug 2012 #81

So we're crazy to get offended by someone speaking at the RNC RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #86

Artistic performances tama Aug 2012 #92

That's fine. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #93

That is interesting and commendable advice tama Aug 2012 #111

The 'treatment' of Clint you write about is appropriate. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #116

I just can't believe you are apologizing for a man who was clearly refering to the president... Walk away Aug 2012 #118

As a translator tama Aug 2012 #125

I don't need to hate anyone (especially a self inflated and self appointed sponge)... Walk away Aug 2012 #131

id tama Aug 2012 #138

Well the cult of Clint Eastwood ieems to be alive and well at your house! Walk away Aug 2012 #140

^^^^this. magical thyme Sep 2012 #154

Aren't you special? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #135

Good grief. This wasn't a piece of art. It was a speech made by a Republican, Chorophyll Aug 2012 #139

lol. I've been here a while and I don't think cali Sep 2012 #147

Hyperbole much? Go away. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #134

Tama, every time I click on anything about Eastwood, there you are. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #67

Tama's pro-Assange advocacy is just as interesting. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #77

Yes? n/t tama Aug 2012 #85

The op makes a great point, where is the outrage from the media karynnj Aug 2012 #16

I'm not interested tama Aug 2012 #53

They'd drag Obama through the streets if he did that. DirkGently Aug 2012 #109

So, who would run our government? SalviaBlue Aug 2012 #33

We the people n/t tama Aug 2012 #54

Have you seen we the people? Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #63

Ok, this cracked me up. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #65

We are the best :) tama Aug 2012 #72

I think you will find a lot of people on DU think that President Obama is among the best of us. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #84

I'm well aware of that. tama Aug 2012 #87

So it will be every man for himself? SalviaBlue Aug 2012 #124

I'm sorry tama Aug 2012 #126

Yea okay. The things you are saying sound like anti government republican talking points. SalviaBlue Aug 2012 #137

Finnish tama Aug 2012 #141

omg. Whisp Aug 2012 #136

not with Ann Coulter's zbdent Aug 2012 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author tama Aug 2012 #129

She's beneath contempt tama Aug 2012 #130

And you are here then why? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #133

It looks like a movie director's gesture ordering the crew to abruptly cease production operations slackmaster Aug 2012 #41

It looked more like a "kill the n****r" gesture to me... regnaD kciN Aug 2012 #48

When your only response to everything you see is to knee-jerk label it as racism, slackmaster Aug 2012 #49

I don't think anyone posting said anything about racism. Squinch Aug 2012 #75

Oh, so sorry. I missed the post above yours. Yes, they are discussing racism. Squinch Aug 2012 #76

My "only" response...? regnaD kciN Aug 2012 #106

If you seriously think that someone was threatening the life of the President, please call... slackmaster Aug 2012 #114

Concept of "Guilt by association" tama Aug 2012 #132

It looks like symbol of decapitation tama Aug 2012 #60

I agree exboyfil Aug 2012 #88

It means "cut" Warpy Aug 2012 #95

Exactly. Actors/directors make the gesture in conversations... Mimosa Aug 2012 #99

So who was he gesturing at to tell them they're rambling? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #103

Personally, I thought it was the audience he was directing it at. Bolo Boffin Aug 2012 #144

Sorry, but that's B.S.... regnaD kciN Aug 2012 #107

Age. Mimosa Aug 2012 #112

Apparently the New York Times' website cut off the tirade before that point. randome Aug 2012 #3

Every clip I see on cable news also omits the gesture. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #5

Fear. Not of Republicans but of having to report anything the least bit distasteful. randome Aug 2012 #7

you're right marions ghost Sep 2012 #145

Good point Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #4

At a minimum it's a show of tremendous disrespect nt flamingdem Aug 2012 #97

Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #105

It is the Hollywood handsign for "cut" jberryhill Aug 2012 #6

Judge for yourself from the video: RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #9

Yes I understand that jberryhill Aug 2012 #10

I say, whatever is done on a movie set, you keep on a movie set. Amonester Aug 2012 #14

The gesture meant 'cut' Mimosa Aug 2012 #102

So he wouldn't know that's inappropriate? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #15

*I* believe it was absolutely inappropriate and shocking jberryhill Aug 2012 #17

I don't think he has murderous intent toward the president. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #19

Judging by all the censored news clips that have gone out, I think your interpretation is not shared randome Aug 2012 #20

Martin Bashir just played the unedited clip. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #30

Okay, then. randome Aug 2012 #44

"obviously not thought through at all" jberryhill Aug 2012 #26

It doesn't take a complex calculation to make a gesture. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #35

Agree, it was in the context of other grotesque attacks like Boehners drag him out of the bar nt flamingdem Aug 2012 #100

Yes. He was playing to the hatred that the GOP has toward the President. His gesture says "kill AlinPA Aug 2012 #110

Wow, another DUer that does not claim to have mind reading abilities. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #22

I learned it from you jberryhill Aug 2012 #24

Wow, thanks. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #40

I also found it interesting that it mimiced the Mormon ritual lifted from the Masons Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #23

They have an answer for that, you know... jberryhill Aug 2012 #32

FUCK what he thought it meant. It's what the crowd thought it mean that counts!! & THAT is patrice Aug 2012 #31

Right-- it's obvious the crowd read the gesture all too clearly... marions ghost Aug 2012 #39

He also ended with "Make my day" with crowd enthusiastic participation, which is an obvious KILLING patrice Aug 2012 #47

I went and looked it up to get the exact words... marions ghost Aug 2012 #73

Not all "accidents" are meaningless. Co-incidence is not always purely by chance. nt patrice Aug 2012 #62

as a director it means cut, as an actor it means "cut his throat" DonRedwood Aug 2012 #12

Clint Eastwood is an Oscar-winning director. But ... Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #64

Do you have a source for this claim? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #71

Get onto your duff and type a few keystrokes. Read wide-ranging and you learn stuff. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #96

Yeah, I know about Clint - duh. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #98

That's what I saw it as XemaSab Aug 2012 #18

Nope bongbong Aug 2012 #56

I used to work in TV and I've never seen a director use a hand sign lob1 Aug 2012 #61

Live TV? I guess stage managers didn't have long pole with crook on the end to yank him off stage. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #66

What comes after the verbal "five, four three..." in TV production? jberryhill Aug 2012 #78

That's when you're going on the air. No countdown before "cut". lob1 Aug 2012 #80

At the start of a live production... jberryhill Aug 2012 #82

Everyone counts "two, one" to themselves, then the director points to lob1 Aug 2012 #113

Points? With what? jberryhill Aug 2012 #117

What the fuck are you talking about? If you read my post (which you obviously didn't) lob1 Aug 2012 #119

Open to interpretation my ass. He knew what he meant - and how it would be perceived. Hugabear Aug 2012 #79

i lost all the respect i didn't have for him spanone Aug 2012 #13

+1,000,000 Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #25

The truth about Clint Eastwood: jsr Aug 2012 #21

Wow! The only thing you got partially correct in that rant ..... oldhippie Aug 2012 #36

I have not seen this. It's been edited out of the clip I picked up from youtube. When did it patrice Aug 2012 #27

See this post for video: RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #45

Yep send this link everywhere malaise Aug 2012 #28

much akin to handmade34 Aug 2012 #29

Ah, the "Ratko Mladic." Robb Aug 2012 #34

Maybe those who are so used to having the BIG MIC of the big screen are just not in the habit of patrice Aug 2012 #37

I didn't watch it, and I'll tell you why... slackmaster Aug 2012 #38

One would think authentic don't-give-a-shitters would also not bother to post that fact. patrice Aug 2012 #42

I posted that reply, and this one, to taunt people who are making something out of nothing slackmaster Aug 2012 #46

Leaving aside the whole question of the definition of "intention", perhaps you can see my point abou patrice Aug 2012 #51

Here's a Racist Clint Eastwood meme generator to keep the outrage going slackmaster Aug 2012 #55

Avoiding the point. Does it or does it not matter what people say and do? nt patrice Aug 2012 #59

It matters if an actual threat of some kind is made slackmaster Aug 2012 #70

Ergo, being against "Shouting fire in a crowded, dark theater with no exits" & hate speech is patrice Sep 2012 #152

There seems to be a major logic deficit on DU this weekend slackmaster Sep 2012 #153

Eastwood doesn't know it, but.. Cha Aug 2012 #43

It is highly offensive and shows deep disrespect to the President ailsagirl Aug 2012 #50

They don't respect the president. Astrad Aug 2012 #108

I was thinking the same thing. onpatrol98 Aug 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Sep 2012 #150

It's pretty clear where the moral ambiguity of his oeuvre comes from and why, hence, this is patrice Aug 2012 #58

He meant... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #69

Anyone who would be "encouraged"... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #83

Yeah, and it's the "open to interpretation" part that's a problem marions ghost Aug 2012 #91

I know right? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #94

Ditto, my thoughts exactly marions ghost Aug 2012 #115

"IOKIYAGOPEEFUCKTARD" lastlib Aug 2012 #89

I think the OP and the repliers have overlooked the most important part of this grantcart Aug 2012 #90

Oh I have to listen again, I didn't notice that. GOP = bloodthirsty flamingdem Aug 2012 #101

I call BS that this gesture is due to the culture of Hollywood and directing flamingdem Aug 2012 #104

Clint Eastwood is a miserable old low class piece of shit but tularetom Aug 2012 #120

Yes it is threatening. Eastwood was pandering to the murderous tendencies marions ghost Aug 2012 #123

agreed. he was just throwing a bit of red meat to the cheap seats.... Raster Aug 2012 #128

Energetically speaking...... AC_Mem Aug 2012 #121

I understand that Billy888 Aug 2012 #142

SNL would do great with 'the chair' Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #143

One could very well interpret that as "Let's lynch the black guy". Rectangle Sep 2012 #146

Spam deleted by Paulie (MIR Team) charliesheen327 Sep 2012 #148

This thread isn't about Romney. (nt) RedStateLiberal Sep 2012 #151

If Rove had to apologize to Akin, isn't this comparable? spooky3 Sep 2012 #149

That's a dog whistle if I ever saw one. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #155