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seabeyond

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183. i didnt order anyone around. the article didnt accuse you of rape. there is reading comprehension

Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:12 PM

Aug 2012

issues here.

it is talking about tips women are given. and it flips it around toward a rapist. how in the world you can suggest it is talking to you is ridiculous. it is ridiculous to see it is even talking about rape. it is talking about a society that tells women what to do. a 14 yr old boy clearly understands. and you dont?

and again.... if you can walk away from someone who is being hurt, that is your choice. that says everything about you. i do not know one person that would or could walk away from someone being hurt. regardless of a slight they may fabricate.

but brag about your right to walk away from another being hurt in all your self righteousness.

it really amazes me some of the things i see people type out. i have to assume they do not know what it is really saying about them.

you see some girl being raped and can justify in your mind not helping her, i have to question the real reason this article pushes you in the direction it does.

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sexual assault prevention tips for men--guaranteed to work [View all] niyad Aug 2012 OP

Thanks. But we already know that upaloopa Aug 2012 #1

thank you for saying that - I was somewhat taken aback by a reminder to "not rape her" DrDan Aug 2012 #2

This is the poster from the UK REP Aug 2012 #60

thank you for posting this one niyad Aug 2012 #75

yeah, write that on your hand or a yellow sticky note arely staircase Sep 2012 #223

do you think it is okay to have all the rape prevention tips the responsibility of women? niyad Aug 2012 #3

Sexism isn't OK regardless of which way it cuts Major Nikon Sep 2012 #197

and I am "just sayin" that it is absolutelyfascinating to me that when sexism is directed at women niyad Sep 2012 #201

actually a few of the loudest on the thread are the ones that perpetrate it on du, and certainly seabeyond Sep 2012 #204

a distinction too subtle for some, apparently niyad Sep 2012 #208

When one buys into fringe ideas like 'male gaze', patriarchal conspiracies, and so forth... Major Nikon Sep 2012 #213

I was kinda thinking it's more accurate to say the reverse is true Major Nikon Sep 2012 #211

so very generous of you to allow that women MIGHT have called out sexism directed at men on Du niyad Sep 2012 #212

If you think sexism is OK one direction but not the other Major Nikon Sep 2012 #214

ah, you are sooo cute. pointing out the realities on this board is not, to your way of seeing thing niyad Sep 2012 #219

Just like rape prevention 'tips' are insulting to women Matariki Aug 2012 #4

Of course it is Confusious Aug 2012 #26

How about ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #34

Yes, but that's not the feeling I get from the OP Confusious Aug 2012 #39

Why do you claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #56

I am a man Confusious Aug 2012 #65

As a man, I don't read it that way at all - I'm no more insulted by this advice than I petronius Aug 2012 #71

It's just another in a long list of threads Confusious Aug 2012 #82

hey, buddy, it's not all about you. CTyankee Aug 2012 #85

Yes that was my entire point Confusious Aug 2012 #140

Oh good god. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #111

Just try not to think about raping them... hughee99 Aug 2012 #136

wrong spot Confusious Aug 2012 #141

Yes that was my entire point Confusious Aug 2012 #151

NO the OP DID NOT say "ALL" men rape ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #108

Maybe you could have it sent to you Confusious Aug 2012 #139

The title of OP addresses it to "men," not men who rape. DirkGently Aug 2012 #159

And the problem with this OP is that rapists will ignore the advice and non-rapists don't need itl sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #170

worse... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #171

really? do you think any decent human being would make that choice? cause really, seabeyond Aug 2012 #173

but they've already implied that I'm a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #174

no. that was not stated. that was not implied. and if you do not feel a need to help another seabeyond Aug 2012 #177

Like others on this thread have posted... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #179

i didnt order anyone around. the article didnt accuse you of rape. there is reading comprehension seabeyond Aug 2012 #183

yup... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #184

you post is totally left field made up stories not to be taken seriously. truly... whatever seabeyond Aug 2012 #185

Okay then a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #186

It's already become a problem . . . 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #231

" least for men being unwilling to help children who are in danger in public." bullshit. seabeyond Sep 2012 #233

If you were told from the moment you could talk 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #235

you are so far out there, reality doesnt exist for you. seabeyond Sep 2012 #236

All men have . . . 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #237

not realize that societal assumptions for men in public near children are different seabeyond Sep 2012 #238

Good, I'm glad you realized that my statement was correct 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #239

games... you prefer games. done. didnt even bother with the mess of your post seabeyond Sep 2012 #240

I'm noticing a trend 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #241

yes. good. play games, i dont waste my time. seabeyond Sep 2012 #242

You don't like to have to back up your assertions do you? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #243

Yes. problem is the passive CONDONING of rape too. alp227 Aug 2012 #176

May I suggest that you need to meet a better class of men. a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #180

There are men who have that attitude, our entire culture is violent, so it's no wonder that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #187

Agree, Sabrina. polly7 Sep 2012 #234

Sad to see RWTP adapted here. alp227 Aug 2012 #175

It's not about guilt Confusious Sep 2012 #193

Absolute BS. 1monster Sep 2012 #202

Nope Confusious Sep 2012 #216

I am guessing the OP was meant to be provocative GObamaGO Sep 2012 #215

I have a long history of ignoring things like that Confusious Sep 2012 #218

This is the poster from which the text came: REP Aug 2012 #63

If they were trying to be humorous Confusious Aug 2012 #69

I imagine we often see (or feel) only those things which better validate LanternWaste Aug 2012 #88

Repeat from down below Confusious Aug 2012 #156

I have a penis OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #172

Just a long line in threads Confusious Sep 2012 #194

Nobody I know IRL has ever told me that. OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #199

A straw man Confusious Sep 2012 #217

Yes, that happened and it was wrong OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #220

"but it didn't happen to you." 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #245

I don't believe you've ever made a post that claimed injury OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #246

The OP isn't particularly specific 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #247

You can feel that way if you want OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #249

Fair enough 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #250

Oh eww, I didn't see that OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #252

One doesn't need a penis to be a rapist mythology Aug 2012 #74

How about... lapislzi Aug 2012 #87

Nobody said that. Anywhere. Matariki Aug 2012 #72

Like I said before Confusious Aug 2012 #83

Are you trying to repress something you did? alp227 Aug 2012 #178

Would you make this comment a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #181

Could I find another thread Confusious Sep 2012 #198

You are essentially saying that you are attacking innocent people so that they'll know how you feel. Romulox Aug 2012 #99

+1 nt arely staircase Sep 2012 #244

So advice to lock my door at night caseymoz Sep 2012 #254

It was requested by posters in this thread: polly7 Aug 2012 #5

Even if you're not a rapist, it's very possible you know one. Brickbat Aug 2012 #6

This OP is disgusting in my opinion upaloopa Aug 2012 #10

in that case, I am sure you find all rape prevention "tips" aimed at women, as though rape were niyad Aug 2012 #11

You continue the insults. Why? You don't get to define anyone based on your understanding upaloopa Aug 2012 #14

please show me where I am insulting you niyad Aug 2012 #31

Me thinks ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #35

If he has nothing to hide Confusious Aug 2012 #48

And other times ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #59

Really? Confusious Aug 2012 #67

then most DUrs are actually closet right wingers? arely staircase Sep 2012 #224

Where is THAT ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #227

Yes I do find them offensive. upaloopa Aug 2012 #17

interesting. then how is it that there is no outrage expressed by you in this thread: niyad Aug 2012 #33

I guess we all have to express outrage Confusious Aug 2012 #49

I don't have to prove anything to you. I don't have to fit myself into our paradigm. upaloopa Aug 2012 #115

Rapists are criminals. The advice given to women is the same advice given to people sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #25

A lot of perps of acquaintance rape don't think what they did is rape. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #55

And how many of them are on the DU? Zalatix Aug 2012 #103

Some DUers think fucking a passed out drunk woman is A-OK. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #122

If we weren't such a "big tent" party they'd have been PPR'd. Zalatix Aug 2012 #138

No...if I recall... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #206

Re: the criminality of rapists lapislzi Aug 2012 #104

Bingo ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #112

Really? Would that be the elevator rape or the car repair rape? DirkGently Aug 2012 #157

Exactly. (nt) DirkGently Aug 2012 #167

That's not actually a fair analysis in any way. DirkGently Aug 2012 #149

"I don't need to tell my wife's male co-workers not to rape her." Brickbat Aug 2012 #37

If they are, a "reminder" won't help. Which is the fail here. DirkGently Aug 2012 #166

Here's is the UK poster REP Aug 2012 #61

A guy I went to school with was convicted of raping a 12yo girl... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #53

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #114

You took it seriously? Webster Green Aug 2012 #8

You seem to be the only one who isn't taking it seriously. Amazing! upaloopa Aug 2012 #15

We weren't supposed to? n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #18

from my experience unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #13

The OP doesn't lump all men together Matariki Aug 2012 #16

Sorry, that's the feeling I got Confusious Aug 2012 #28

I suppose basing one's entire premise on simply a "feeling" LanternWaste Aug 2012 #92

No, it's based on a long list of threads around here Confusious Aug 2012 #142

It's addressed to "men." And the premise is dishonest. DirkGently Aug 2012 #164

You're 20/Canadian? Hi I am a 21 yo American man alp227 Aug 2012 #182

Hmm I think that's the point gollygee Aug 2012 #24

tips given to women and men and everyone on how to stay safe shouldn't offend anyone. arely staircase Sep 2012 #248

You obviously didn't see what this thread was responding to gollygee Sep 2012 #251

I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #32

Yep. Iggo Aug 2012 #41

my 14 yr old son thought funny. he knows the rules we put on females. he recognized it was seabeyond Aug 2012 #50

It's Satirizing the "Blame the Victim" mentality... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #47

That's the way I read it both in this thread hifiguy Aug 2012 #64

I think some misogynist men doth protest too much. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #90

Given that this is DU, I think that is a rather overbroad hifiguy Aug 2012 #105

Just to expand on this unreadierLizard Sep 2012 #192

Except it fails because all crime prevention falls to the victim. DirkGently Aug 2012 #169

Yeah, I thought the same deutsey Sep 2012 #228

Its really good to see we don't stereotype based on gender in this forum. aaaaaa5a Aug 2012 #7

12. Don't get sent to prison. nt kelly1mm Aug 2012 #9

For some reason, that kind of rape isn't counted. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #97

DOJ statistics for 2009, rape/sexual assaults, male victims 19,820, female victims 106,100. kelly1mm Aug 2012 #116

That number doesn't include prison rape. The DOJ estimates about 216,000 prison rapes in 2008, Romulox Aug 2012 #119

I agree. Even without prison rape, the % of rape/sexual assault victims that are male is over 15%. kelly1mm Aug 2012 #123

Sufficient beer usually works too. Even if you DO get a woman to go out to your car, you're useless HopeHoops Aug 2012 #12

get him really drunk. oh HH, you never disappoint. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #52

Why thank you. (taking bows). On a more serious note, my wife was slipped a mickie once. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #84

ya... well hey seabeyond Aug 2012 #86

I know. We've gone around on that. I like to joke, but I'm very pro-woman. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #91

. seabeyond Aug 2012 #94

(giggle) - Using a period for the title line is difficult to zero in on. Two or three are easier. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #106

thank you for letting me know. i hadnt thought of that. seabeyond Aug 2012 #107

Yeah, we're sort of stuck being what we are. Oh well. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #113

Make sure your partner is enthusiastically calling "yes!" often. RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #19

here is the pic that you were trying to post, someone posted in other thread Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #20

I like this better. No mention of gender Matariki Aug 2012 #21

thanks, I wasn't able to do it niyad Aug 2012 #30

niyad Matariki Aug 2012 #73

That's called 'hotlinking' and is very frowned upon by a great many websites. Occulus Aug 2012 #117

now i like this one arely staircase Sep 2012 #226

I'm assuming you meant well posting this, but it doesn't help. bluesbassman Aug 2012 #22

I have always thought that rape prevention tips for women... MicaelS Aug 2012 #23

We deserve the advice , being we've never got a handle orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #27

Damn. I thought this OP was about how men could prevent getting raped. panader0 Aug 2012 #29

I get so tired of the ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #36

Your list Confusious Aug 2012 #46

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #58

You can call bullshit all you want Confusious Aug 2012 #66

Hold up ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #76

"I never accused you of doing anything." I disagree Confusious Aug 2012 #81

Please seek help ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #110

No, I pointed why it bothers me Confusious Aug 2012 #143

I. neither, ignored nor do not understand your point ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #189

Becuase someone keeps saying Confusious Sep 2012 #195

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #221

How do you expect *I* would know what was said/done between two people in a sexual encounter? Romulox Aug 2012 #95

because all men rape, and then we tell our buddies Confusious Aug 2012 #144

This is insulting to men. Alduin Aug 2012 #38

<>=<> orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #42

I completely agree. Texasgal Aug 2012 #43

The writer wasn't referring to all men, just rapists. Cleita Aug 2012 #44

Yes, some here seem to know Confusious Aug 2012 #45

So rapists post on DU? Alduin Aug 2012 #57

How many people are on DU? gollygee Aug 2012 #62

No, not an impossiblity Confusious Aug 2012 #68

If you're a man, you're a potential rapist. Alduin Aug 2012 #78

Much like, "if you're a gun owner, you can potentially murder someone..." LanternWaste Aug 2012 #93

Not so much. hifiguy Aug 2012 #102

I don't know why but some men seem to be insecure liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #79

You're not "calling out rapists"; rapists don't care about the list. Sensitive, caring men do. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #96

you are right, not to rapist. to people that give a list to women how they should prevent rape. seabeyond Aug 2012 #101

Nobody here gave anyone a list, except the one insinuating all men are rapists. It's lashing out at Romulox Aug 2012 #120

no it is not. it is a point of view dealing with an issue that is not directed at anyone specific seabeyond Aug 2012 #124

If I started a thread: "Women LIE!", all hell would break loose. Then I could sit back and say, Romulox Aug 2012 #125

you still do not seem to be understand the point of the piece. and how it seabeyond Aug 2012 #126

The connection is that you would complain bitterly if I smeared all women that way. You wouldn't Romulox Aug 2012 #128

this is not about some men or rape. what you are not getting. it is about people that tell women seabeyond Aug 2012 #132

None of that is in the OP. It seems we have to add several PARAGRAPHS to get the "true" meaning. Romulox Aug 2012 #133

each one of the suggestions on the list is a TWIST to what women are told. whistle. seabeyond Aug 2012 #134

I understand all of that. It still doesn't make it ok to smear male DUers, because somebody told Romulox Aug 2012 #135

what YOU do not want to get, apparently, is that rape is a serious issue, and, whether you like it niyad Aug 2012 #137

how about this. men, prevent wife from psychically abusing you. seabeyond Aug 2012 #130

I've never seen a post anything like that on DU. So I don't understand what you're trying to say. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #131

I'm sorry we just see it differently liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #196

So what? Brigid Aug 2012 #98

Some women are rapists. Alduin Aug 2012 #118

99% of the offenders being male and 1% of the offenders being female. seabeyond Aug 2012 #150

The numbers don't matter. Alduin Aug 2012 #165

really? numbers do not matter? wow. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #168

I dispute this claim: "The onus should be on men to deal...". That's false. I'm not the police. Romulox Aug 2012 #121

I love that list. Iggo Aug 2012 #40

i love that you love that list. says something. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #54

Furthermore: XemaSab Aug 2012 #51

None for me, thanks. 99Forever Aug 2012 #70

I love it! +1 liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #77

lingerie football thread? slutticus Aug 2012 #80

it was in an OP titled "sexual assault prevention tips-don't dress like a whore" niyad Aug 2012 #100

OK, that's a scary thread slutticus Aug 2012 #162

Yeah I'll try to remember that Union Scribe Aug 2012 #89

I hear you, brother! unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #109

One of the possible issues... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #158

I find it amazing . . . Brigid Aug 2012 #127

Nobody here on DU is "the perpetrators". That's where the conversation grinds to a halt. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #129

According to some, there are rapists amoung us Confusious Aug 2012 #145

Wow. Talk about a complete misrepresentation of what I said. gollygee Aug 2012 #154

I gave the link to your post Confusious Aug 2012 #160

Your "sarcastic version" was a huge misrepresentation gollygee Aug 2012 #161

That's sarcasm for you Confusious Aug 2012 #163

DURec. KG Aug 2012 #146

Brilliant! Blecht Aug 2012 #147

indeed. some of the responses have proved very interesting niyad Aug 2012 #148

sad that it even needs to be stated or posted fascisthunter Aug 2012 #152

deja vu.. d_b Aug 2012 #153

I understand it was trying to be humorous. I'm not one to get into poltical correctedness, but as Proles Aug 2012 #155

Great stuff. This should be extended to other crimes, too. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #188

. Iggo Sep 2012 #232

I still am trying to find a GOP dirtbag that can elaborate Rex Sep 2012 #190

if you ever find out, please let us know niyad Sep 2012 #191

I think it's what Whoopi Goldberg refers to as "rape-rape". Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #200

Hmm Panasonic Sep 2012 #203

Where's number 12? This is DU after all.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #205

colour me surprised niyad Sep 2012 #207

Satire? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #209

one would not think so, given some of the responses niyad Sep 2012 #210

Seems like there should be something about porn too 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #230

this is hilarious arely staircase Sep 2012 #222

and if you do forget and actually rape someone arely staircase Sep 2012 #225

Gang-based crime prevention tips for blacks/hispanics--guaranteed to work! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #229

While you're giving advice like that . . . caseymoz Sep 2012 #253