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pbmus

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44. Negative yields are Happening all around the world...to the tune of 17 Trillion
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:15 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Imagine if I came to you with a deal.

Give me $10 today and I’ll return $9 to you in a decade or so.

No way right?

This is happening all around the world and on increasing basis.

Maybe you didn’t go to Harvard Business School, but perhaps you recall an early lesson from your Junior Achievement class that tells you this is not how it’s supposed to work.

You are supposed to put your money in the bank and be rewarded with interest. This is supposed to be wiser than trading your precious allowance at the candy store for an awesome, yet fleeting sugar rush.

Nicholas Colas, co-founder of DataTrek, put it plainly enough: “Bonds are supposed to pay the owner of capital something to pry the money out of their hands.”

Nevertheless, some really smart investors around the world now have invested about $17 trillion in government bonds that offer negative interest rates, according to Deutsche Bank. That represents about a quarter of the global bond market.

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Investors are willing to pay a premium—and ultimately take a loss—because they need the reliability and liquidity that government and high-quality corporate bonds provide. Large investors such as pension funds, insurers, and financial institutions may have few other safe places to store their wealth.

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Description, A liquidity trap is a situation, described in Keynesian economics, in which, "after the rate of interest has fallen to a certain level, liquidity preference may become virtually absolute in the sense that almost everyone prefers holding cash rather than holding a debt which yields so low a rate of interest." Wikipedia

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So when governments or corporations cannot sell there bonds...to pay there debts...and they are politically unwilling to raise taxes...or they give away a trillion here and there...what’s next...?

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It’s called QE...in Europe almost 3 trillion euros, and in the USA, If you thought the Federal Reserve was done with quantitative easing, you might only be half right. As soon as next year, analysts say the Fed will resume large-scale buying of debt securities -- this time just U.S. Treasuries -- in amounts that may ultimately exceed its crisis-era purchases. According to an estimate by Wells Fargo & Co., the central bank’s balance sheet will rise past its historic peak as it adds over $2 trillion to its Treasury debt holdings in the next decade.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-21/qe-may-be-over-but-the-fed-s-u-s-debt-hoard-is-set-to-double

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Next.....? In my opinion, it could be the yuan or a combination of dollar, yuan, euro, and yen...or...?

The next president will have there hands full, similar to what Obama went thru but with more deflation....starting in 21, 22

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Keynes' liquidity trap Cary Sep 2019 #1
Bingo... pbmus Sep 2019 #2
What do very long term loans have to do with a liquidity trap? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #14
I am not aware of ISLM making any distinction. Cary Sep 2019 #20
OK then, what do short term Treasuries have to do with a liquidity trap? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #21
Your answer is Slippery slope... pbmus Sep 2019 #22
The why is more important than the how. Cary Sep 2019 #25
In this environment...with GREED being the dominant participle pbmus Sep 2019 #27
True. Cary Sep 2019 #29
The WSJ article isn't about negative yields, though, it's about 50 year Treasuries muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #43
Negative yields are Happening all around the world...to the tune of 17 Trillion pbmus Sep 2019 #44
So, nothing to do with 50 year Treasuries, then muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Sep 2019 #47
But your article says they'd be more likely to buy short term, not long term, securities muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Sep 2019 #49
Why would I buy them? No one has tried to tell me why they are relevant muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #51
One reason it's incoherent.... A HERETIC I AM Sep 2019 #59
Treasuries? Nothing. Cary Sep 2019 #26
And wait for the other shoe to drop...companies will, despite their healthy balance sheets (... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #3
Short answer is YES... pbmus Sep 2019 #4
Similar to the housing bubble eh? Wonder how one fixes something like this? Perhaps by ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #5
I can think of at least a dozen places... pbmus Sep 2019 #6
Very good thoughts...and of course rump hasn't said a word about infrastructure...or anything for .. SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #8
What effect will this have on the average Joe on the street? smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #7
Mixed bag...slightly higher consumer prices for next year or so...due to many factors pbmus Sep 2019 #9
Good list! SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #11
Thank you! smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #13
Probably an uptick in inflation for critical materials... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #10
Thank you. I appreciate your reply. smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #12
Thank you. Yes, I have a minor and major in Economics, but stayed in data processing... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #16
Gotta love how the Wall St oriented financial KPN Sep 2019 #15
You're absolutely right. Large Business and Predatory Capitalism has been driving the ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #17
When monetary policy is tied to a combination of factors... pbmus Sep 2019 #18
No kidding. And there's another epic euphemism "financial derivatives" as in "something good KPN Sep 2019 #19
Here in Europe, there is now also talk of negative interest rates DFW Sep 2019 #23
Scary thought, Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #24
I quite agree DFW Sep 2019 #31
Hasn't Germany already issued one set of negative interest rate bonds? nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #52
Yes ...as of July 2019...1.9 Trillion pbmus Sep 2019 #54
I think that was the second Tranch. The country issued a less discounted negative interest rate Blue_true Sep 2019 #55
personally no but certain circumstances might warrant there use pbmus Sep 2019 #56
It might have happened and went right by me. DFW Sep 2019 #57
Thanks. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #60
When interest rates are artificially set low, at140 Sep 2019 #28
We better elect Elizabeth Warren president and end this madness at140 Sep 2019 #30
Fortunately or unfortunately...depending on your position pbmus Sep 2019 #33
Not so sure about that. All the stuff she's promising and her "Economic Patriotism" will Hoyt Sep 2019 #37
What she is promising is small potatoes compared at140 Sep 2019 #50
You ever filed a Medicare claim? And, it won't be 5 years before Hoyt Sep 2019 #53
Just asked my wife, a lifetime medical biller............. at140 Sep 2019 #58
Trade war, currency war, world war. roamer65 Sep 2019 #32
That is the nihilistic intention...Putin et others... pbmus Sep 2019 #34
Doesn't matter what length they offer on Treasuries. roamer65 Sep 2019 #35
Not sure what you are talking about.? pbmus Sep 2019 #36
QE. Massive QE. roamer65 Sep 2019 #38
Well if that happens...you can kiss your ass and many others, bye bye... pbmus Sep 2019 #39
I'm halfway out of fiat currency. roamer65 Sep 2019 #40
I've been out since 1972.... pbmus Sep 2019 #41
Good man. roamer65 Sep 2019 #42
It's an interesting idea Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #45
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