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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. We enjoy those stops between friends also, though
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:18 PM
Sep 2019

rarer these days.

Actually, though, roads are a public service, older than the Roman emperors. Schools are maintained by every kind of government system, socialist states just one of them, and predate socialism as a national ideology. Critically, socialism requires collective ownership and control of the means of production.

Now, if his farm and others around belonged to a collective that was either self governing or controlled by fairly local government, and he worked for and was part of that collective, that'd probably be considered democratic socialism. (The democratic part would be they'd still have democratic elections.) If the farm collective was under the authority of a central government, say back in DC or the state capitol, that'd be more like ordinary basic socialism.

Btw, collective ownership of America's farms would be virtually guaranteed under socialism and very possible under dem soc. Back in the 1970s-80s, Sanders advocated a long list of means of production that should be seized for collective ownership. Just looked and unfortunately couldn't find it; it's been awhile. But farms are basic production, food supply after all. To put it mildly, he made few converts back then, and when he entered congress his made his list very short instead.

These days it's so short that he's telling people roads and schools are socialism and people are really already socialists. NO, and I don't know why he's saying that, but people who are interested should go find out what socialism is and is not for themselves. Not from a proselytizer or politician either.

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Talked with a farmer friend the other day... [View all] Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 OP
I hope you got us a convert who will go against unfit, orange debacle in 2020. brush Sep 2019 #1
Well done. I am not sure I have the patience anymore. AJT Sep 2019 #2
Try using the term social democracy the next time you speak with your friend. CottonBear Sep 2019 #3
That's a good point. "Social" is the modifier; "Democracy" is what it still is. n/t Beartracks Sep 2019 #7
Agreed Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #18
Did you mention the Homestead Act? nt DURHAM D Sep 2019 #4
K&R I've tried your approach with little success... real Cannabis calm Sep 2019 #5
We enjoy those stops between friends also, though Hortensis Sep 2019 #6
Changing someon'es opinion on Socialism Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #8
Republicans already say we want illegal immigrants to rape their women and kill their children TeamPooka Sep 2019 #9
Communist? Leith Sep 2019 #10
They'll just call that fake news. Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #13
Does he accept gov't subsidies of any kind? keithbvadu2 Sep 2019 #11
Finding common ground works. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2019 #12
Michael Moore and Bill Maher discussed this topic this week BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #14
Democratic Socialism IS a form of socialism. Social Democrats, as in the Nordic countries, pnwmom Sep 2019 #15
While I agree being kind is usually the best approach rufus dog Sep 2019 #16
Agree 100000000%. nt in2herbs Sep 2019 #20
Agreed. I got mine you get yours attitude. They don't care. MarcA Sep 2019 #24
I would ask if they ever drove on a public road, went to a public school, ever called police or fire yaesu Sep 2019 #17
Unfortunately... WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2019 #19
Let's see...."socialism" something about the government doing the job that private industry could Stuart G Sep 2019 #21
Farmers who take subsidies PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #22
Does he watch Fox? sharedvalues Sep 2019 #23
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