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17. Chess

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 02:09 PM

Sep 2019

I'm disgusted with the 3d-chess analogy. You need to just get up and try and do the right thing every day and not treat voters as pawns.

Re impeachment ... it might require explaining to voters why it is the right thing. But people respect integrity and getting voter support is much easier to get if there is not the Machiavelli component to explain away.

This nonsense about framing everything in terms of whether or not it will help the party is ... sickening.

Or perhaps I'm just being excessively naive and putting too much trust in voters that are constantly exposed to the Fox News and MSM propaganda.

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I really resent the idea that standing up for the rule of law [View all] madaboutharry Sep 2019 OP

Letting Trump and his cronies get away with it helps only... lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #1

What??? peggysue2 Sep 2019 #2

it is the whole "should we, or should we NOT impeach" in a nut shell not_the_one Sep 2019 #4

Ditto on the "BUILD" thing. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #19

Lately I've noticed pundits are having a lot of trouble lunatica Sep 2019 #3

We know what normal is. This ain't it. This -- KPN Sep 2019 #20

We HAVE been fighting a technocratic civil war - since Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine... Moostache Sep 2019 #23

Like you describe it truly is a road to nowhere lunatica Sep 2019 #50

Good points. The way I look at it is everyone who sees the truth, including Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #62

Me 2. It's like all your life you think of our party with so much admiration Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #5

Agree. Karadeniz Sep 2019 #6

would you report a crime to the police stopdiggin Sep 2019 #7

If Trump is impeached, will they deport his whole family? YAY! leftstreet Sep 2019 #9

You should poll your neighbors first.. CentralMass Sep 2019 #11

Hardly comparable. nt KPN Sep 2019 #18

not a comparison, an analogy stopdiggin Sep 2019 #27

It's not an "analogy." H2O Man Sep 2019 #30

So, what Trump & Co. are doing is, in your mind, Bettie Sep 2019 #38

pretty easy stopdiggin Sep 2019 #46

The consequences of letting him Bettie Sep 2019 #47

I'm seeing that analogy is just beyond some stopdiggin Sep 2019 #53

How would you feel if standing up for the rule of law helped reelect Trump? elocs Sep 2019 #8

Did taking a pass on Bush war crimes help elect Trump? leftstreet Sep 2019 #10

Okay, try this....... H2O Man Sep 2019 #35

It wouldn't. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2019 #12

You can guarantee that? elocs Sep 2019 #14

so, do the wrong thing for fear of doing right? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #26

Huge and in my opinion wrong assumption. KPN Sep 2019 #16

Not impeaching only hurts if pouters from the Left stay home or vote 3rd party, elocs Sep 2019 #55

How, specifically, does standing up for the rule of law help Trump? AllyCat Sep 2019 #59

the problem is with the corporations who fashion the news and the politicians yaesu Sep 2019 #13

Exactly -- spot on. We reject it now via KPN Sep 2019 #21

Amen! KPN Sep 2019 #15

Chess CloudWatcher Sep 2019 #17

Exactly! Bravo!! Duppers Sep 2019 #34

Our nation has been brainwashed by Rethugs and corporations to equate all effects back to economics. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #22

Sometimes, old-timey sayings have some merit... Moostache Sep 2019 #24

I think that Democrats will get nothing from impeachment to stop Trump, and have much to lose. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #29

I appreciate your view, I do not share it though. Moostache Sep 2019 #40

Agreed. old guy Sep 2019 #54

Well stated. And to me the critical success factor Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #39

Why? Is being ill-prepared a benefit? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #45

Oh, you mean wait until all the trump legal cases Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #60

Straw man much? ehrnst Sep 2019 #61

Attacking you? I was asking the question - what is the status of what constitutes Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #63

Since you brought it up. Would love to hear a Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #64

So when will the stop lying to new military enlistees. They take an oath on day one.... usaf-vet Sep 2019 #25

Well, you know, if we impeached Thomas, that would be "standing up for the rule of law" ehrnst Sep 2019 #28

The conversations were about Kavanaugh and Trump. madaboutharry Sep 2019 #32

Well, the same principle applies, Yes? ehrnst Sep 2019 #49

BRAVO❗❗❗ Duppers Sep 2019 #31

K&R Kurt V. Sep 2019 #33

Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2019 #36

Agree Oppaloopa Sep 2019 #41

The Constitution will be the acid test in the end lunatica Sep 2019 #65

To me it's never been a question of IF he'll be impeached, it's a question of WHEN. CaptainTruth Sep 2019 #37

Times like these make it easy to separate the cowards from the patriots nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #42

+1000 DallasNE Sep 2019 #43

What's wrong with us? Well, on one side there's an interlocking, highly redundant... JHB Sep 2019 #44

Yes, thanks for that post! robbob Sep 2019 #56

Personally, I'd love to go back to the mid-70s. malthaussen Sep 2019 #66

Thank you for this OP. I 100% concur. Nevermypresident Sep 2019 #48

Not impeaching can easily be seen as defending the Constitution in this case. gulliver Sep 2019 #51

Nothing is more important than the personal political ambitions/futures of current officeholders. MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #52

Politicians need jobs, too. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #58

K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Sep 2019 #57

They are setting a terrible precedent by letting Trump get away with breaking the law. athena Sep 2019 #67