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In reply to the discussion: **Breaking** Trump's communications w foreign leader part of controversial whistleblower complaint [View all]hlthe2b
(112,982 posts)106. Interesting take from counterintelligence expert, Asha Rangappa
Link to tweet
Full unrolled thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1174515385204445184.html (it may be easier to read at that link, but here is most of it) :
2. I'll first outline the best argument for Trump. The President enjoys wide latitude in foreign affairs. When it comes to the "outside world," the President represents the sovereign:He is basically the voice of the United States and can negotiate with world leaders on its behalf
3. I wrote about this very early on in the context of Trump's possible defense to obstruction charges involving Russia, which is also relevant here
Could Trump Really Say He Fired Comey in the Service of Foreign Policy?
Trumps motive laundering could turn out to be a brilliant legal strategyor just brilliantly stupid.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/23/trump-comey-russia-obstruction-of-justice-foreign-policy-215179
4. There is a separation of powers argument here: The President should be able to have confidential and diplomatic communications with other heads of state without undue interference from Congress: World leaders should feel secure that their convos won't be made public
5. HAVING SAID THAT -- there are limitations. First, as @jedshug has written (also in context of obstruction of justice), the President has a fiduciary obligation to act in the *best interests of the United States*. In other words, he cannot abuse his powers for personal gain
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6. Further, the "slice" of his "exclusive" Art. II powers is fairly narrow. Congress does have a say, for instance, whether we go to war in the absence of an emergency defensive action. It can also say that certain types of foreign policy actions are illegal
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7. So, for instance, while President Reagan might have argued that his actions in Iran Contra were in the best interest of the U.S. (preventing spread of Communism), they were nevertheless in violation of the Boland Amendment and still illegal
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8. In fact, much of the extensive congressional oversight over intelligence functions stems from things like Iran Contra -- you want to balance POTUS' foreign affairs/nat sec powers with transparency, individual rights (e.g., warrantless wiretapping after 9/11),and accountability
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9. The ICWPA tries to balance these interests in the context of nat sec/classified information: It makes the whistleblower go to an independent entity (agency IG or ICIG) to basically "vet" the complaint and make sure it is urgent
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10. The IG has to look at the complaint, determine that it is credible, and that it is urgent: That it is "[a] serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to to...an intelligence activity involving classified information"
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11. I direct you to an excellent resource from @NatlSecCnslrs who wrote an excellent Q&A on the statute for @just_security here
Q&A on Whistleblower Complaint Being Withheld from Congressional Intelligence Committees
A look at the issues at play with the acting director of national intelligence refusing to turn over a whistleblower complaint to Congress.
https://www.justsecurity.org/66211/qa-on-whistleblower-complaint-being-withheld-from-congressional-intelligence-committees/
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12. Note that under the definition of "urgent," the complaint cannot simply be a difference in policy opinion. And the IG is an independent entity making the determination that it is serious enough to come to the attention of Congress
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13. This IG is a *Trump appointee* as @EricColumbus astutely notes
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14. Sooooo...we're basically left with the fact that a Trump appointee, found this complaint to be "urgent," meaning that it is not merely a policy dispute, beyond the broad Art. II foreign affairs authority POTUS enjoys, and likely illegal -- and which Congress must look at
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15. I will leave you with my evergreen piece on the two main issues the Framers were concerned about wrt to the POTUS: Self dealing and foreign influence
mentions Sorry, wrong link for my piece (but Eric's tweet is worth a second read! 😂
Trumps Moscow Deal Is Exactly What the Framers Worried About
Self-dealing and foreign influence were their biggest fears for the presidency.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/03/donald-trumps-moscow-deal-framers-222752
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**Breaking** Trump's communications w foreign leader part of controversial whistleblower complaint [View all]
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
OP
Honestly, is there any amount of apparent traitorous behavior they won't excuse?
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#2
More has to leak... even if the IG only speaks to Schiff's committee in private
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#14
O'Donnell just read line saying the whistleblower act is not subject to judicial review.
muntrv
Sep 2019
#67
Remember the spy extracted to the US & subsequently doxxed? That Putin desperately WANTS?
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#41
the GOP has been working for decades to establish a bullet proof infrastructure to protect their
yaesu
Sep 2019
#43
Now the whistleblower, according to law, can go directly with the docs to Congress, once the
ancianita
Sep 2019
#50
And just by chance the voting machines were made with electronic backdoors that allowed ...
Botany
Sep 2019
#56
Yes, and just by chance MF45 is visiting all the blue states, and will over time be able to
ancianita
Sep 2019
#59
Yes. And Trump's not worried about those states right now. He's in the harder terrain, like CA.
ancianita
Sep 2019
#74
Mueller said publicly that all levels of cyber attacks are going on "right now." Could the
ancianita
Sep 2019
#63
Thanks. Welp, the whistleblower is either in the FBI or intel, then. My guess is the FBI.
ancianita
Sep 2019
#128
Even before that the GOP and part of the CIA had been working on manipulation of electronic ....
Botany
Sep 2019
#136
Then what. I'm clueless about what the nation could do with it. He's betting noone can stop
ancianita
Sep 2019
#113
Yeah, this seems to be a truly 'chilling' thing the whistle-blower came upon.
LenaBaby61
Sep 2019
#57
Intel is listening and the legal whistleblower protections go out the window. The whistleblower
ancianita
Sep 2019
#75
The IG meeting with Schiff is over. This is so urgent that Schiff will act on this NEXT WEEK.
ancianita
Sep 2019
#125
He knows Trump is a mobster, protected by dark forces that would kill if needed.
Doodley
Sep 2019
#77
The most shocking revelation is that Trump only made an improper promise to ONE foreign leader.
Doodley
Sep 2019
#76
The key to the story is from Abramson's comments..(see post 33 by....hlthe2b.... )
Stuart G
Sep 2019
#101
Yes. Some on AM Joe are trying to diminish the seriousness by emphasizing Presdident can declassify
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#102
Damn interesting that Trump made sure Gordon or Sanner wouldn't succeed Coats, but Maguire
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2019
#114
Praying for delicious irony that the call was on Dump's personal, unauthorized phone
flibbitygiblets
Sep 2019
#126
I'll take "I promise not to interfere when you occupy Ukraine" for $500, Alex.
COLGATE4
Sep 2019
#111
After just listening to Schiff, I'm even more worried. According to him, the matter has pretty much
Vinca
Sep 2019
#118
You should find and watch last night's Lawrence O'Donnell panel. This law was written specifically
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#121
NEW: The whistleblower is being represented by Andrew P. Bakaj, a former CIA officer.
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#123