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ehrnst

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18. I think right now Democracy is being held hostage by terrorists.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:29 AM
Sep 2019

Some, like Israel, might take the position that you never negotiate with terrorists, you don't make deals, you just demand that they come out with their hands up, or you blow up the building and burn it all down. Don't even give them a minute of time, or an inch in their demands.

But if your goal is to get the hostages out alive, you understand the need for strategy. You let the expert hostage negotiaters do their job, in peace, out of the media, no matter how impatient people are for someone to DO something.

The familes and kids killed in the Branch Davidian standoff were casualties of impatience and the pressure of the public and the authorities for an end to it. Hostage negotiators were not listened to when they said that going before Koresh was ready would be disastrous. The authorities thought that they were looking weak in the press, because people were outraged at the reports about child abuse in the Branch Davidians, and wanted retribution on Koresh.

I don't want the same thing to happen to our democracy, because people think that there is somehow a way to prevent the GOP from doing things that only the courts can stop - and sometimes not even they can do it. I think that Congress is in the role of hostage negotiator, and pressuring them for RESULTS RIGHT NOW instead of letting them handle this in the way that gets the most out alive (including giving us the best chance at the Senate in 2020), is giving the GOP the gift of distracting Congress from doing what they need to do.

I know, it's overwhelming to confront overwhelming powerlessness in a situation, especially if one has grown up with the privilege of being white, and one's demands that something be changed RIGHT NOW are usually acted on. White people are faced with the first time a system that that isn't responding to their demands, and want need someone to blame for not FIXING THIS RIGHT NOW. Someone MUST be able to do SOMETHING about this!!!!!

But right now, the RW has power, and there is actually little we can do about it before 2020. We have seen firsthand the weaknesses and loopholes in the constitution and laws that allow them to hang on to it. No "manager" can fix this situation right now, no matter how much you rage at them, no matter how much you threaten to get them fired.

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We cannot give them an inch [View all] Soph0571 Sep 2019 OP
We've given them far too many inches already. KPN Sep 2019 #1
Who are you talking about when you say "we?" (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #2
Us. n/t Soph0571 Sep 2019 #6
Speak for yourself. I'm not certainly "giving them an inch." (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #8
Neither am I - that is the whole point of the article... n/t Soph0571 Sep 2019 #9
Then who is it that you are think we can't "give an inch to?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #11
The right wing that is currently trying to steal our democracies Soph0571 Sep 2019 #12
OK. What do you mean by "giving them an inch?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #13
Do not give them an inch Soph0571 Sep 2019 #14
I'm not backing down - who is it that you think will back down? ehrnst Sep 2019 #15
Any answers to my questions? ehrnst Sep 2019 #22
Was busy but here you go Soph0571 Sep 2019 #24
You still haven't told me what specifically you want them to do. ehrnst Sep 2019 #25
Take no prisoners BSdetect Sep 2019 #3
What does that mean in concrete terms? ehrnst Sep 2019 #23
just don't be weak in punishing them BSdetect Sep 2019 #26
Still very vague - what actual punishments do you think are available to congress? ehrnst Sep 2019 #27
What you say is true around the globe. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #4
It's not our giving that worries me, it's their taking. Jim__ Sep 2019 #5
Yep. Moscow Mitch holds that key. ehrnst Sep 2019 #21
Agree. But the focus needs to be to UNITE with others Hortensis Sep 2019 #7
A very good Orwell quote in your post: kentuck Sep 2019 #10
And there is absolutely nothing that could come out in a hearing that will change their minds. ehrnst Sep 2019 #19
I feel like Dems are still catching up Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #16
No longer in Kansas... kentuck Sep 2019 #17
Why do you think that "party leaders are being caught off guard?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #20
I think right now Democracy is being held hostage by terrorists. ehrnst Sep 2019 #18
" there is actually little we can do about it before 2020" saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #28
False dillemma and a straw man ehrnst Sep 2019 #29
My bad, I understand your concerns. saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #30
There is a limit on how much reality one 'creates' ehrnst Sep 2019 #31
Yes, "actions speak louder than words" saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #33
We aren't giving them an inch, they are taking miles. nt Autumn Sep 2019 #32
40 years of a right wing war on liberalism brought this on. Initech Sep 2019 #34
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