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ProgressiveEconomist

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35. I disagree. IMO the upside is FAR greater than your downside. Remember,

Sat Sep 1, 2012, 05:38 PM

Sep 2012

we're talking about the response of people who otherwise would not vote to a single ballot initiative. IMO all but a few of those who oppose higher wages for poor people would turn out to vote in any case, ballot initiative or no ballot initiative.

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Raising Minimum Wage Can Yank Millions Out of Poverty and Jump-Start Economy [View all] xchrom Sep 2012 OP

Since this sort of legislation has to start in the House, it will never happen UNTIL we have a MADem Sep 2012 #1

State MW ballot initiatives can turn this stumbling block into stepping stones ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #21

There's a flip side to that coin, though--be careful what you wish for. MADem Sep 2012 #25

And none of these things ever happen Freddie Sep 2012 #27

Hell, I remember making ninety some odd cents! MADem Sep 2012 #29

Would a state MW wage ballot initiative ever by itself turn out ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #32

Yes--I do think it would turn out people who were lied to with CU money. MADem Sep 2012 #33

I disagree. IMO the upside is FAR greater than your downside. Remember, ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #35

For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. MADem Sep 2012 #36

"way too late" for 2012 ballot initiatives. Agreed--this strategy is for 2014 and beyond ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #38

With proper framing and rollout, it could be a winner in the 'tween' year election. MADem Sep 2012 #41

these arguments have less and less of an impact liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #42

Boy do I agree with you MADem. xtraxritical Sep 2012 #22

The GOP legislature's mantra is "Just say NO." MADem Sep 2012 #37

Great idea. If minimum wage kept pace with the the rise of CEO pay, minimum wage JaneyVee Sep 2012 #2

This is the key! ErtBob Sep 2012 #3

Not to mention the additional payroll taxes generated for SS and Medicare. Fuddnik Sep 2012 #4

morning! xchrom Sep 2012 #5

Good morning! Fuddnik Sep 2012 #8

This is my post yesterday on the same topic OnlinePoker Sep 2012 #9

Well, so much for my figures. Fuddnik Sep 2012 #14

AND? icarusxat Sep 2012 #16

There are probably 10-20 million just above minimum that will be helped as well. A rising tide... reformist2 Sep 2012 #19

But what percentage of eligible nonvoters who'd vote "D" ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #34

Also, hiring more government employees instead of imposing more austerity measures Cleita Sep 2012 #6

yes, one of the reasons for the sluggishness of the employment figures... ibegurpard Sep 2012 #11

Show that big corporations can afford this - point out the mountains of profit they are sitting on. reformist2 Sep 2012 #7

you can't live on $10 an hour either ibegurpard Sep 2012 #10

German auto workers get paid $60+ an hour and the companies are still profitable. icarusxat Sep 2012 #20

is there a minimum wage in Germany? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #23

A minimum wage below $10 an hour (roughly $20k/year) is barbaric. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #12

There should be two systems not a flat federal minimum wage former-republican Sep 2012 #13

Raise the minimum raise to at least $12 an hour and index for inflation. Progressive dog Sep 2012 #15

BUT BUT it will take away a small amount of the corporations' profits Iliyah Sep 2012 #17

And it might make our mighty "job creators" angry... oh noes! reformist2 Sep 2012 #18

Cue all the right wing whining reflection Sep 2012 #24

It's what they do best! Last time the federal minimum wage was raised, they MADem Sep 2012 #26

Always say, give money to the guy who has to spend it is better than giving to the guy who doesn't. liberal N proud Sep 2012 #28

$10 per hour, or more than double that? Trillo Sep 2012 #30

It should be raised to about $20 per hour. diane in sf Sep 2012 #31

That's not going to happen--not in one legislative move. MADem Sep 2012 #39

and give AMERICANS jobs lovuian Sep 2012 #40

K&R liberal_at_heart Sep 2012 #43

My experience chloes1 Sep 2012 #44

Or banks could extend more credit - you know for xchrom Sep 2012 #45

Eureka Fair Wage Act - $12.00 an Hour for Large Employers - Small Business Exempt eurekaworkers Sep 2012 #46