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In reply to the discussion: If you believe that Obama will win handily, you haven't been paying attention [View all]Iggy
(1,418 posts)34. Correct, I've Seen This Movie Before
All the self-congratulatory stuff around here about how the RNC was a disaster and the President
is headed for an easy victory, and the polls are manufactured and it's not really close, makes me really nervous.
Back in 1999-2000, when some of you were getting the crust cut off your peanut butter and jelly sammys by your
mom-- I was over at the public forum at Salon.com. the term "blog" hadn't even been invented.
There, numerous progressives were laughing and guffawing about "that nobody hick governor from Texas", and how
"Al Gore will win in a landslide victory".
Well? what happened?
what happened is Al Gore and the democratic party made several stupid mistakes.
One being they didn't let Clinton campaign for/with Gore-- which would have helped considerably in a crucial
swing state like Ohio-- which Gore lost.
Looking at what happened in 2008, Obama won Ohio-- by something like 107,000 votes; that's hardly a large
margin. in fact, IMHO, it's a meaningless margin, because part of the context is there obviously were plenty
of people willing to vote for Stumpy McCain-- in spite of the fact GOP "genius" gw bush drove us over
the cliff economically. keep this in mind when thinking about Ohio.
we already know the youth vote is not going to turn out this time for Obama.
for me, this race is too close to call.. I pay attention to little if any polling.. 538 is about it for me. if the GOP had been
smart enough to run someone like Jeb Bush-- they would be guaranteed a win. instead, they're running a
guy who is even worse than bush.
it's all about who shows up in 6-8 states; obv Ohio is one of those states.
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If you believe that Obama will win handily, you haven't been paying attention [View all]
cali
Sep 2012
OP
College students often don't get around to registering - send them gottaregister.com
flamingdem
Sep 2012
#4
What do you suggest that any of us do? The 2010 losses, we were told, was a "wake-up call."
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#5
So, you don't like Obama's appointees. Why post this now? Are you staying home or voting Rmoney?
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#20
Vote for Obama and then work to improve the situation if you don't like him. Or ...
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2012
#93
Your tag line indicates ""I have no enemies and no hatred. Hatred can rot away ..." Yet you post
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#87
I am one who is far worse off now than I was four years ago (through no fault of
coalition_unwilling
Sep 2012
#115
DI, I fully understand what Cali is saying. I respectfully ask you to listen to my reasoning...
davidpdx
Sep 2012
#28
Calling anyone who believes Obama could win by a sizable margin 'foolish' is...
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2012
#108
Yes one can. For instance, if Rs completely take over this state in November,
WorseBeforeBetter
Sep 2012
#135
I don't think it's a lock, but Obama won Ohio by 262,000 votes in '08...not 107,000.
Drunken Irishman
Sep 2012
#109
People are out there talking but if the sit home one their hands thats a problem....
Historic NY
Sep 2012
#23
well, OBVIOUSLY you are right and all but the deaf, dumb and blind know it already
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2012
#25
The voter supression in PA is going to be a factor. There is no way that PA can handle the
AlinPA
Sep 2012
#26
I think anytime you've got Rove working behind the scenes with unlimited $$$ at his disposal
deutsey
Sep 2012
#33
Yeah, but we'll be digging out from the rubble of his "successes" for some time
deutsey
Sep 2012
#50
Quit with the 'I know better than everyone else', bullshit. You're usually better than this.
Dawgs
Sep 2012
#37
I don't think the purpose of the OP is "defeatist." It's more exhortation to greater effort.
leveymg
Sep 2012
#52
The polls, look to polls of elections past to KNOW what they are worth...which is not much.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2012
#58
I think many of the religious right will jest stay home or not vote for any president
left is right
Sep 2012
#65
i disagree Cali, i think Obama will win handily.. my fear is the Senate and House...
dionysus
Sep 2012
#90
Well Cali, agree, but it will be quite a blow-out. A Carteresque type blowout.
Safetykitten
Sep 2012
#95
FYI, someone tried to shut you down instead of debating you. Jury told 'em to sit and spin.
Poll_Blind
Sep 2012
#99
We get it. You're worried, nervous and concerned. So what are you gonna do about it?
Cali_Democrat
Sep 2012
#121
yes, remember how sure DU was that Dems would win that Wisconsin election
Liberal_in_LA
Sep 2012
#124