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Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
57. You are building up the molehill on the side of the mountain
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:43 PM
Sep 2012

(on edit amplified remarks about the woman)

Sorry you didn't get Cliffordu. He was making fun of the person who would inevitably say both sides are similar and you stepped up in it.

That's exactly backwards. I'm saying Obama cares and Romney is heartless. They could not be more different.

All politicians make verbal slips. Everybody tries to read a little too much into them. When Obama said "you didn't build that", it did not reveal a hidden Marxist agenda like the T's and R's would like you to think it does. Similarly, when Romney inartfully asks about the root cause of the flooding inartfully, it doesn't reveal much.

What does reveal a lot is when Romney directly, clearly, unequivocally says disaster relief is immoral in a time of corporate-rescue government deficits.

Obama doesn't 'slip up' in the way that you infer and he didn't look at business leaders and tell them they didn't build their businesses he told them that they didn't build the bridges and the schools and everything else that is essential for their businesses to operate.

Agreed.

It only became a 'gaffe' when FOX news edited it out and took words out.

Nah. It was inartful wording. It is small potatoes compared to Romney plainly telling flood victims in 2011 that disaster relief is immoral.

Marshall McLuhan famously said that "The medium is the Message" and it expressed the fact that how you communicate actually communicates what you think.

Actually, he wrote "Massage", but your point is partly correct. It was more that the medium used has a much more dramatic effects on the message than commonly supposed. Radio is a hot medium and TV is a cold one. Radio requires the listener to build mental images and TV / YouTube spoon feeds the viewer.

Justice Powell and later Newt Gingrich took notes and established think tanks to develop language guides to frame issues. George Lakoff has striven to do the same for Democrats and Progressives, but doesn't get the attention he deserves.

Romney's continued odd ball way of communicating is not just a poor choice of words, it reflects an odd view of the world. He cannot empathize with what other people are dealing with in a real way and can only tell a poor woman to go home and make a phone call as a solution to her problems from Isaac.

Of course! But the OP doesn't talk about that and neither are we! You can suddenly introduce the woman now late in the discussion, but that only makes my point. What Romney said to the woman was direct and heartless. It is the kind of thing that needs to be highlighted. That is much more revealing.

The OP and this thread and the thread title and the picture and the article the picture captures are all about Romney's statement about the water. To explain to an undecided that his inartful question had a real question behind it but if you read between the lines you can detect a distance, a remove, that Romney has from the struggles of ordinary people, ... well that requires a lot of words and connecting the dots for the reader / listener.

You don't need to connect the dots for anybody when Romney says "disaster relief is immoral" but corporate relief is not, or when he tells a homeless victim to "go home".

There is no point on continuing on the issue but if you want to learn more about the inherent sybiotic quality of medium and message go here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

Thank you, but I've seen McLuhan speak in the 70s and I read his books around the time they came out in the late sixties.

I will say that the fact that you think that there is any kind of similarity between President Obama and Romney on how they communicate their message

No. You could not have that more wrong. Obama cares and says it. Romney directly in plain speech communicates his heartlessness. Is that clear enough for you? Capiche?

leaves my brain vacant of an immediate response to send an approprate nuerological response to the vocabulary part of my brain there by accessing a number of words of the appropriate length that could be compiled into a sentence and that absence renders my ability to render a verbal response moot.

That means you are at a loss for words.

I am not, and neither is Obama.

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NOT from the Onion! hedgehog Sep 2012 #1
Dear God - wth?! nc4bo Sep 2012 #2
Gads it's a gulf! SugarShack Sep 2012 #18
A HUGE gulf...between his ears. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #62
I had to check etherealtruth Sep 2012 #19
I thought the same thing. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #24
My first thought too! pink-o Sep 2012 #37
40 years ago, George Romney got kicked out of the Nixon Whitehouse KurtNYC Sep 2012 #69
Oh, okay.... so he had a mortgage on his wristwatch? thecrow Sep 2012 #77
Like father, like son. Two generations of cluelessness. Jennicut Sep 2012 #78
I think it is inverted empathy -- "I suffered, so should you." KurtNYC Sep 2012 #81
He also told a woman who just lost her house to flooding BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #3
Fair & Balanced... (pic) dogknob Sep 2012 #15
UH, PARROTS are intelligent. aquart Sep 2012 #76
Proof positive the man is deaf to people's needs - she'd just told him her home was flooded! sad sally Sep 2012 #42
I thought this had to be a joke... alittlelark Sep 2012 #4
No..he didn't..did he? PearliePoo2 Sep 2012 #5
Well Mitt, about 4 billion years ago the primordial Earth was cooling aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #6
or "where do babies come from?"" PearliePoo2 Sep 2012 #35
but, but the Earth is only 6000 years old burrowowl Sep 2012 #51
Kolob, Mitt. Kolob. Didn't you pay attention in church? n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #7
I am slowly coming to realize that Romney had nothing to do with Bain... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #8
I have to agree with the pattern... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #74
No, it fits with him being unable to see things related to anything else... JHB Sep 2012 #75
Probably a stupid, lame attempt at mocking Obama. speedoo Sep 2012 #9
After a hurricane, it's not that bad of a question ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #10
you are being generous grantcart Sep 2012 #11
This. Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #21
Odd phrasing: the result of never having to communicate about anything out of necessity. Like those patrice Sep 2012 #33
Democratic supporters have much bigger fish to fry. See my post 16 or this link: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #31
Different but not bigger grantcart Sep 2012 #40
Did you forget to listen to your initial volume to optimize the adjusted level and pitch? cliffordu Sep 2012 #41
Cliffordu got it. Obama slips too ("you didn't build that"), Biden. Skip it. Focus on the heartless Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #45
Sorry you didn't get Cliffordu. He was making fun of the person who would inevitably say grantcart Sep 2012 #48
You are building up the molehill on the side of the mountain Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #57
By the way, Bernardo - cliffordu Sep 2012 #59
Yes sir! Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #60
No - I had it all along. All of it. cliffordu Sep 2012 #58
uhhhh..Grantcart? That should be.."dikes" dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #63
Well...... cliffordu Sep 2012 #66
Ok that wasn't a mistype, that was a real misspelling lol. grantcart Sep 2012 #67
Someone else did the same thing downthread. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #71
Too bad Mitt didn't have an interpreter next to him to translate it into an intelligent question aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #20
That's what I was thinking. Chemisse Sep 2012 #47
then it is a staffing issue. You have to have people around you that can help you with CTyankee Sep 2012 #55
I would bet he has never had people tell him how moronic he sounds Chemisse Sep 2012 #64
well, I fervently hope he speaks up a lot, then! CTyankee Sep 2012 #68
and if you are not a total idiot, SoCalDem Sep 2012 #65
wow, and here I was thinking Romney was at least somewhat intelligent. Terra Alta Sep 2012 #12
It's called R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H garthranzz Sep 2012 #13
Umm...this is why you have advance people and aides.. PearliePoo2 Sep 2012 #14
Flooding can result from huge rainfall, sea storm surge, or river dike failure. Or a combination. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #16
OMG. theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #27
Yes. Calling disaster assistance "immoral" is much more venal that a doufus question about water. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #30
And the answer Issssss... ejbr Sep 2012 #17
I saw this on the news and if I hadn't heard him say it himself Blue_Roses Sep 2012 #22
Tell him it came from Cayman malaise Sep 2012 #23
Romney is another puppet like Bush was with Cheney pulling his strings. savannah43 Sep 2012 #25
Somebody left the faucet on, you dimwit. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2012 #26
This is so fucking crazy! nt Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #28
He asked a dumb ass question like that????? RavensChick Sep 2012 #29
Be easy on the guy, he's conditioned to asking about the source of a deluge. (sarcasm) theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #32
The water came from all three plus the lake. revolution breeze Sep 2012 #34
In reality - you're right ann--- Sep 2012 #52
And the wind revolution breeze Sep 2012 #56
this is a question I would expect from a six year old ThomThom Sep 2012 #73
And this, not from Daily Kos but CBS. Whew. Kablooie Sep 2012 #36
Seriously? SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #38
The water is God's tears because he saw you were nominated, you ass! Motown_Johnny Sep 2012 #39
And we are worried about this guy being elected? INdemo Sep 2012 #44
I still am. If Europe collapses or some other world event impacts the election Motown_Johnny Sep 2012 #46
The tears of your victims. ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #43
LOL He was right on all three -- but did he have to ask that stupid question? I guess he did demosincebirth Sep 2012 #49
I'm still trying to process this. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #50
How did he pass a geography class? Kalidurga Sep 2012 #53
There was this thing called a hurricane.... quaker bill Sep 2012 #54
I would have told him, "This is what happens when the trees aren't the right height." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #61
On the way there, wouldn't someone have said something like hedgehog Sep 2012 #70
In related news Romney is off the campaign trail practicing for the debates, which are grantcart Sep 2012 #72
The debates are going to be brutal. It will be hard to watch. Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #80
Jindal lauded the contributions of the Red Cross, Salvation Army and other organizations... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #79
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