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Ms. Toad

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47. Shedding is a real thing - if the vaccine uses live attenuate virus

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:50 PM

Oct 2019

Some (but not all) of this year's vaccines use live attenuated virus (although I have not seen any suggestion that anyone with a normal immune system has contracted influenza via vaccination shedding). It's a significant risk for the chicken pox vaccine - shedding happens over a longer term, and it is a significant risk for peope who have previously had chicken pox, since the virus hides and can be reactivated as shingles.

I don't avoid doctors (I have my annual physical, and quarterly follow-up for breast cancer). But, by and large, I have doctors who work with me to minimize the need for medication when there are effective treatments that do not require medication.

I just make personal decisons about relatively ineffective vaccines for illnesses that are not inherently life threatening.

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Got my high-dose "Old Geezer" flu shot today. [View all] MineralMan Oct 2019 OP

I always get mine as early as I can arrange it, even if it means just shelling out $20 to Costco hlthe2b Oct 2019 #1

I just go to my pharmacy. They have all my records, and are MineralMan Oct 2019 #3

Same here. Pharmacy clinic True Blue American Oct 2019 #34

Very good advice. kstewart33 Oct 2019 #2

So were you one of the 12% of "old geezers" it worked better than no vaccine for last year? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #4

I've received the flu shot every year since 1972. I have had the flu MineralMan Oct 2019 #5

You can get it too early jberryhill Oct 2019 #7

I typically get it the last week in September or early in October. MineralMan Oct 2019 #9

Darn I got mine in early Sept.....(too early!!) LeftInTX Oct 2019 #17

You're OK KT2000 Oct 2019 #41

That's interesting - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #29

My PCO said the exact thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #69

You are correct that we won't know effectiveness until later - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #19

A lot of people are peddling the "If it's not 100% effective, it's not effective at all" nonsense. Aristus Oct 2019 #63

I didn't suggest that if it is not 100% effective it is not effective at all. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #67

In fact, I give my patients all of the relevant information regarding the flu vaccine. Aristus Oct 2019 #68

Because anyone who declines to be vaccinated is 100% certain to be infected? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #72

I feel like I'm talking in circles here. It's not uncommon when dealing with this particular issue. Aristus Oct 2019 #74

You said they are essentially choosing to be a carrier. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #80

And you have identified the problem! GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #97

No such thing as asymptomatic carriers. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #77

If you re-read the post, you'll notice I didn't use the term 'asymptomatic'. Aristus Oct 2019 #81

Anyone understanding odds would get the shot GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #94

Since I have two math degrees, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #101

Your all over the place on this thread! GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #105

Sounds like me, & tho I avoided the hospital I ended up with pneumonitis ... Hekate Oct 2019 #28

There was a particularly nasty flu strain in 1971, apparently. MineralMan Oct 2019 #32

I can only tell you that last year my wife(accidentally) got the regular shot. I got retread Oct 2019 #53

So you think 12% is not worth getting the shot?? Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #6

Apparently so. MineralMan Oct 2019 #8

See my response. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #11

I only make choices for myself. MineralMan Oct 2019 #12

You just happened to be the first I've noticed in the annual Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #15

I didn't tell anyone to get the shot. MineralMan Oct 2019 #18

Definitely more diplomatic than most. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #22

And yet, you still took it upon yourself to scold me. MineralMan Oct 2019 #23

Actually - I didn't. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #27

I have an excellent memory, Ms. Toad. MineralMan Oct 2019 #33

Let me be the second. Aristus Oct 2019 #64

So you don't believe you can trust your patients with accurate information? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #70

Look, it's not like I don't sympathize. Aristus Oct 2019 #71

Jennie MCCarthy is a nut case. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #73

"No business being in health care." Aristus Oct 2019 #75

Nice careful selection of an out-of-context phrase Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #102

No business being in healthcare? You just jumped the shark. GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #98

Did I ever suggest I was in healthcare? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #104

Being Anti-Vax is a personal choice jpak Oct 2019 #37

Oh - so you've decided I'm anti-vax Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #45

Yes I am jpak Oct 2019 #46

Providing accurate information, from the CDC itself discouraging. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #50

But the CDC***(((encourages)))*** EVERYONE who can to get at flu shot jpak Oct 2019 #109

Correct - AND - the CDC site includes complete information. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #112

How's this for accurate info - The Flu Kills - Get Yer Flu Shot Now jpak Oct 2019 #113

As noted earlier, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #114

An (un) informed decision NOT to get a flu shot jpak Oct 2019 #115

Personally, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #10

So, is there someone who is trying to force you to get the vaccine? MineralMan Oct 2019 #14

More like coercion with the mantra that ianyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a killer - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #16

Hmm...I don't believe I said anything of that sort. MineralMan Oct 2019 #20

I developed decent practices to protect against hand-borne pathogens Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #35

'anyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a killer' Celerity Oct 2019 #31

It is OTT - but it happens here nearly every fall - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #39

fair enough Celerity Oct 2019 #48

There've been several of those threads here already. cwydro Oct 2019 #125

I have more than once been accused of being a heartless PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #78

If they got the shot, then they are either protected (so it doesnt matter what you do) OR the shot Celerity Oct 2019 #84

so you are so weak willed qazplm135 Oct 2019 #89

No - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #92

well ya know qazplm135 Oct 2019 #93

That 12% saved thousands of life's. Do the math. Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #21

Yes, it did. I do wish the vaccines were more effective. MineralMan Oct 2019 #24

It's actually about 48 in a good year Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #26

now qazplm135 Oct 2019 #59

So many mistakes in your posts that no more replies needed, wow! Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #119

explain to me how something that is qazplm135 Oct 2019 #55

Well, see, some people have immune disorders and can't take the flu shot, MineralMan Oct 2019 #58

then they get the dead virus version qazplm135 Oct 2019 #60

There is a difference between not wanting people to take the vaccine Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #90

Yep. Like gluten. GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #100

It's a balance of risks v. benefits. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #87

for you qazplm135 Oct 2019 #88

You asked. I gave you the explanation. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #95

I asked why you are pushing it as some sort of foolish choice qazplm135 Oct 2019 #96

I have Multiple Chemical Sensitivity so I stay away from the flu shot because of the adjuvants womanofthehills Oct 2019 #79

Yup. I haven't taken a close look this year - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #82

No vaccine at all for me. Also, shedding is a real thing! Iwasthere Oct 2019 #44

Shedding is a real thing - if the vaccine uses live attenuate virus Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #47

Exactly! Iwasthere Oct 2019 #49

No, they do not, unless you ask for a nasal flu vax obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #108

That's actually not accurate. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #110

Wow. There is so much wrong in your post, I don't even know where to begin. Aristus Oct 2019 #66

people are weird Piasladic Oct 2019 #99

Wow - I also stopped the whole doctor thing too....... womanofthehills Oct 2019 #85

I'm sorry but if you think getting regular checkups qazplm135 Oct 2019 #91

lulzlulzlulzlulzlulz obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #106

And there is the shedding fallacy -- I just won anti vax bingo obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #107

Wow, really? cwydro Oct 2019 #124

I got mine a couple of weeks ago. All it takes is one serious case of the flu to make you Vinca Oct 2019 #13

Timing-wise, I hope you don't have to fly in Ilsa Oct 2019 #25

That's my hope, too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #30

Thank you ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #36

My father was embarrassed at his panicky suggestion that MineralMan Oct 2019 #42

It is. ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #61

Yes. My father has some cognitive deficits, too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #65

It is a good idea... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #38

I got mine a couple of weeks ago. woodsprite Oct 2019 #40

I always have a mild reaction to the flu shot. MineralMan Oct 2019 #43

Got mine last week Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #51

There's always someone who wants people not to get vaccinated. MineralMan Oct 2019 #52

I am old enough to remember the polio scare. Those vaccines were miracles to our parents! retread Oct 2019 #56

Yeah, me too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #57

Got my old fart's high dose last week. Now for the shingles shots. n/t retread Oct 2019 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #62

Going tomorrow. 😁 Polly Hennessey Oct 2019 #76

Thanks for the reminder! My dr office is having their walk-in flu clinic next week. Croney Oct 2019 #83

EXcellent! I got my regular, semi-old geezer shot last week obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #86

I got the Old Geezer shot about 3 weeks ago and the Shingles Greybnk48 Oct 2019 #103

Got mine at Walgreens 2 weeks ago happybird Oct 2019 #111

Yay !!! Iggo Oct 2019 #116

How about the pneumonia vaccine? My 81-year-old Mom was telling me I should bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #117

I have had both of those pneumonia vaccines. MineralMan Oct 2019 #121

Thanks for the info! I was just curious, as my Mom brought up the idea, and bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #122

How old are you if I might ask? Polybius Oct 2019 #118

I'm 74 years old. My parents are 95 years old. MineralMan Oct 2019 #120

God bless all of you! Polybius Oct 2019 #123

It isn't one age fits all HockeyMom Oct 2019 #126