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Ms. Toad

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67. I didn't suggest that if it is not 100% effective it is not effective at all.

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

Oct 2019

What I suggested is that there is information about effectiveness that individuals would find relevant in making their own decision to vaccinate or not.

As medical professional, I am sure you would not withhold accurate but potentially discouraging risk information from your patients when recommending a treatment out of fear they might not accept your recommendation. (if for no other reason that it would be unethical, and you could set yourself up for malpractice.)

Yet you choose to label a discussion of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine (which has not exceeded 60% since 2004, and which was 12% for my age range for last year's vaccine) as "misguided or malicious.

Suppressing or discouraging disclosure of information that would allow people to make informed decisions, because they might make a decision we don't personally like is an odd position for both progressives and medical professionals to take.

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Got my high-dose "Old Geezer" flu shot today. [View all] MineralMan Oct 2019 OP

I always get mine as early as I can arrange it, even if it means just shelling out $20 to Costco hlthe2b Oct 2019 #1

I just go to my pharmacy. They have all my records, and are MineralMan Oct 2019 #3

Same here. Pharmacy clinic True Blue American Oct 2019 #34

Very good advice. kstewart33 Oct 2019 #2

So were you one of the 12% of "old geezers" it worked better than no vaccine for last year? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #4

I've received the flu shot every year since 1972. I have had the flu MineralMan Oct 2019 #5

You can get it too early jberryhill Oct 2019 #7

I typically get it the last week in September or early in October. MineralMan Oct 2019 #9

Darn I got mine in early Sept.....(too early!!) LeftInTX Oct 2019 #17

You're OK KT2000 Oct 2019 #41

That's interesting - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #29

My PCO said the exact thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #69

You are correct that we won't know effectiveness until later - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #19

A lot of people are peddling the "If it's not 100% effective, it's not effective at all" nonsense. Aristus Oct 2019 #63

I didn't suggest that if it is not 100% effective it is not effective at all. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #67

In fact, I give my patients all of the relevant information regarding the flu vaccine. Aristus Oct 2019 #68

Because anyone who declines to be vaccinated is 100% certain to be infected? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #72

I feel like I'm talking in circles here. It's not uncommon when dealing with this particular issue. Aristus Oct 2019 #74

You said they are essentially choosing to be a carrier. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #80

And you have identified the problem! GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #97

No such thing as asymptomatic carriers. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #77

If you re-read the post, you'll notice I didn't use the term 'asymptomatic'. Aristus Oct 2019 #81

Anyone understanding odds would get the shot GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #94

Since I have two math degrees, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #101

Your all over the place on this thread! GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #105

Sounds like me, & tho I avoided the hospital I ended up with pneumonitis ... Hekate Oct 2019 #28

There was a particularly nasty flu strain in 1971, apparently. MineralMan Oct 2019 #32

I can only tell you that last year my wife(accidentally) got the regular shot. I got retread Oct 2019 #53

So you think 12% is not worth getting the shot?? Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #6

Apparently so. MineralMan Oct 2019 #8

See my response. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #11

I only make choices for myself. MineralMan Oct 2019 #12

You just happened to be the first I've noticed in the annual Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #15

I didn't tell anyone to get the shot. MineralMan Oct 2019 #18

Definitely more diplomatic than most. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #22

And yet, you still took it upon yourself to scold me. MineralMan Oct 2019 #23

Actually - I didn't. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #27

I have an excellent memory, Ms. Toad. MineralMan Oct 2019 #33

Let me be the second. Aristus Oct 2019 #64

So you don't believe you can trust your patients with accurate information? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #70

Look, it's not like I don't sympathize. Aristus Oct 2019 #71

Jennie MCCarthy is a nut case. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #73

"No business being in health care." Aristus Oct 2019 #75

Nice careful selection of an out-of-context phrase Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #102

No business being in healthcare? You just jumped the shark. GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #98

Did I ever suggest I was in healthcare? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #104

Being Anti-Vax is a personal choice jpak Oct 2019 #37

Oh - so you've decided I'm anti-vax Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #45

Yes I am jpak Oct 2019 #46

Providing accurate information, from the CDC itself discouraging. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #50

But the CDC***(((encourages)))*** EVERYONE who can to get at flu shot jpak Oct 2019 #109

Correct - AND - the CDC site includes complete information. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #112

How's this for accurate info - The Flu Kills - Get Yer Flu Shot Now jpak Oct 2019 #113

As noted earlier, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #114

An (un) informed decision NOT to get a flu shot jpak Oct 2019 #115

Personally, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #10

So, is there someone who is trying to force you to get the vaccine? MineralMan Oct 2019 #14

More like coercion with the mantra that ianyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a killer - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #16

Hmm...I don't believe I said anything of that sort. MineralMan Oct 2019 #20

I developed decent practices to protect against hand-borne pathogens Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #35

'anyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a killer' Celerity Oct 2019 #31

It is OTT - but it happens here nearly every fall - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #39

fair enough Celerity Oct 2019 #48

There've been several of those threads here already. cwydro Oct 2019 #125

I have more than once been accused of being a heartless PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #78

If they got the shot, then they are either protected (so it doesnt matter what you do) OR the shot Celerity Oct 2019 #84

so you are so weak willed qazplm135 Oct 2019 #89

No - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #92

well ya know qazplm135 Oct 2019 #93

That 12% saved thousands of life's. Do the math. Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #21

Yes, it did. I do wish the vaccines were more effective. MineralMan Oct 2019 #24

It's actually about 48 in a good year Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #26

now qazplm135 Oct 2019 #59

So many mistakes in your posts that no more replies needed, wow! Nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #119

explain to me how something that is qazplm135 Oct 2019 #55

Well, see, some people have immune disorders and can't take the flu shot, MineralMan Oct 2019 #58

then they get the dead virus version qazplm135 Oct 2019 #60

There is a difference between not wanting people to take the vaccine Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #90

Yep. Like gluten. GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #100

It's a balance of risks v. benefits. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #87

for you qazplm135 Oct 2019 #88

You asked. I gave you the explanation. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #95

I asked why you are pushing it as some sort of foolish choice qazplm135 Oct 2019 #96

I have Multiple Chemical Sensitivity so I stay away from the flu shot because of the adjuvants womanofthehills Oct 2019 #79

Yup. I haven't taken a close look this year - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #82

No vaccine at all for me. Also, shedding is a real thing! Iwasthere Oct 2019 #44

Shedding is a real thing - if the vaccine uses live attenuate virus Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #47

Exactly! Iwasthere Oct 2019 #49

No, they do not, unless you ask for a nasal flu vax obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #108

That's actually not accurate. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #110

Wow. There is so much wrong in your post, I don't even know where to begin. Aristus Oct 2019 #66

people are weird Piasladic Oct 2019 #99

Wow - I also stopped the whole doctor thing too....... womanofthehills Oct 2019 #85

I'm sorry but if you think getting regular checkups qazplm135 Oct 2019 #91

lulzlulzlulzlulzlulz obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #106

And there is the shedding fallacy -- I just won anti vax bingo obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #107

Wow, really? cwydro Oct 2019 #124

I got mine a couple of weeks ago. All it takes is one serious case of the flu to make you Vinca Oct 2019 #13

Timing-wise, I hope you don't have to fly in Ilsa Oct 2019 #25

That's my hope, too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #30

Thank you ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #36

My father was embarrassed at his panicky suggestion that MineralMan Oct 2019 #42

It is. ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #61

Yes. My father has some cognitive deficits, too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #65

It is a good idea... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #38

I got mine a couple of weeks ago. woodsprite Oct 2019 #40

I always have a mild reaction to the flu shot. MineralMan Oct 2019 #43

Got mine last week Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #51

There's always someone who wants people not to get vaccinated. MineralMan Oct 2019 #52

I am old enough to remember the polio scare. Those vaccines were miracles to our parents! retread Oct 2019 #56

Yeah, me too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #57

Got my old fart's high dose last week. Now for the shingles shots. n/t retread Oct 2019 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #62

Going tomorrow. 😁 Polly Hennessey Oct 2019 #76

Thanks for the reminder! My dr office is having their walk-in flu clinic next week. Croney Oct 2019 #83

EXcellent! I got my regular, semi-old geezer shot last week obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #86

I got the Old Geezer shot about 3 weeks ago and the Shingles Greybnk48 Oct 2019 #103

Got mine at Walgreens 2 weeks ago happybird Oct 2019 #111

Yay !!! Iggo Oct 2019 #116

How about the pneumonia vaccine? My 81-year-old Mom was telling me I should bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #117

I have had both of those pneumonia vaccines. MineralMan Oct 2019 #121

Thanks for the info! I was just curious, as my Mom brought up the idea, and bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #122

How old are you if I might ask? Polybius Oct 2019 #118

I'm 74 years old. My parents are 95 years old. MineralMan Oct 2019 #120

God bless all of you! Polybius Oct 2019 #123

It isn't one age fits all HockeyMom Oct 2019 #126