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Major Nikon

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148. What you posted not only doesn't prove your assertion, it contradicts it
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:01 AM
Oct 2019

I will quote you directly:

Because of the vaccine schedule, children were receiving higher cumulative doses than the government's scientists had determined were safe.


Notice how you wrote “were” while the FDA says “could have” in the very section you emphasized.

Also from your same source:

Available data has been reviewed in several public forums including the Workshop on Thimerosal, held in Bethesda in August 1999 and sponsored by the National Vaccine Advisory Committee, two meetings of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the CDC, held in October 1999 and June 2000, and by the Institute of Medicine's Immunization Safety Review Committee in July 2001 and February 2004. Data reviewed did not demonstrate convincing evidence of toxicity from doses of thimerosal used in vaccines. In case reports of accidental high-dose exposures in humans to thimerosal or ethyl mercury toxicity was demonstrated only at exposures that were 100 or 1000 times that found in vaccines.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/thimerosal-vaccines-questions-and-answers

Thimerosal was never a real problem, period. The only problem was from the hysteria that resulted from people who spread false information about it. The result is vaccines which should be cheap to produce are more expensive which effectively kills people in areas that have to choose how many people they can vaccinate on limited budgets.

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The Year I Didn't Get A Flu Shot [View all] obamanut2012 Oct 2019 OP
I got the Egyptian flu from my mummy Beakybird Oct 2019 #1
lol obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #3
Oddly enough, I've never gotten a flu shot PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #2
You can still be a vector. littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #9
Not really. That's something that is widely said with little or PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #21
One quibble on that excerpt Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #46
Bingo! Scant evidence is the important part. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #79
Your position is fine...at least until the day that there is more than scant evidence stopbush Oct 2019 #81
To Which I Would Add RobinA Oct 2019 #82
Good point. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #84
Well this is antedotal story... rwsanders Oct 2019 #123
There is a difference between something being true and littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #88
"Scant evidence" indicates that it rarely, if ever, happens. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #103
I disagree. littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #114
Supposed asymptomatic carriers PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #117
Herd immunity. Does. Not. Work. Iwasthere Oct 2019 #107
Vectors exist. With or without herd immunity. nt littlemissmartypants Oct 2019 #116
That's just not true Major Nikon Oct 2019 #135
The number you are quoting Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #158
I very clearly stated the number depends on effectiveness Major Nikon Oct 2019 #160
I did cherry pick the numbers - I used those that created the LOWEST threshold Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #170
Ok, so what type of flu? Major Nikon Oct 2019 #173
Same for me! BuddhaGirl Oct 2019 #13
Glad most people do. paleotn Oct 2019 #73
Nope, but thanks for your concern. BuddhaGirl Oct 2019 #97
Unless a big part of the herd??? Iwasthere Oct 2019 #106
Same here. Haven't had a flu shot in 25+ yrs. only had the flu once in all that time Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #20
I've never had a flu shot and I've Cha Oct 2019 #38
Me either. cwydro Oct 2019 #41
"....swine flu shot, which made half the base sick." sarge43 Oct 2019 #74
I was not in basic training and not at Lackland. cwydro Oct 2019 #99
No offense, but... paleotn Oct 2019 #72
The only way in which I'm an outlier is that I seem to have PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #128
Same with me Raine Oct 2019 #89
Yup. I've smoked a pack a day since 1984 and haven't gotten cancer or emphysema. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #112
In your case, you're tempting fate. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #151
Fished In! ProfessorGAC Oct 2019 #163
I agree, circumstances can vary from one person to another FoxNewsSucks Oct 2019 #127
Flu doesn't make you puke. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #141
I have never gotten a shot and have gotten sick twice in around 30 years. n Blue_true Oct 2019 #137
interesting...I also got the worst flu of my entire life right at New Years time qazplm135 Oct 2019 #4
It was horrible! obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #24
me too! angel823 Oct 2019 #76
That's scary! Faux pas Oct 2019 #5
The flu shot didn't give you the flu. Aristus Oct 2019 #6
Thank you Disaffected Oct 2019 #39
They've had the advantage of growing up Codeine Oct 2019 #64
You didn't get the flu from the vaccine. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #7
The flu vax isn't "poison" obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #25
Thanks for your story! Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #8
Thanks! obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #27
Some flu strains worse for NOT elderly or children mchill Oct 2019 #10
Yeah, the 1918 Flu was that way obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #26
We both work with college students, 100's of them. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #11
College kids come to campus from all over the world obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #28
When I suffer from "flu-like symptoms" FakeNoose Oct 2019 #12
I was just reading about the Spanish Flu pandemic. BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #16
Definitely some of my issues were from low electrolytes/dehydration obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #30
Another important thing to be aware of about that epidemic PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #143
I've read of estimates as high as 100M deaths from the 1918 pandemic. sarge43 Oct 2019 #69
Not good for everyone Chicagogrl1 Oct 2019 #14
You know anti vaxx propo is not allowed here, right? obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #31
Even if there was mercury Disaffected Oct 2019 #40
Before they eliminated mercury from childhood vaccines, the COMBINED amount some babies pnwmom Oct 2019 #50
That wasn't anti-vax propaganda, and you've just said something untrue. pnwmom Oct 2019 #49
Hysteria about thimerosal was the direct result of anti-vax bullshit Major Nikon Oct 2019 #142
Yes, there was a problem with thimerosal. Because of the vaccine schedule, children were pnwmom Oct 2019 #145
Wrong Major Nikon Oct 2019 #146
Wrong. The cumulative doses, according to the FDA, pnwmom Oct 2019 #147
What you posted not only doesn't prove your assertion, it contradicts it Major Nikon Oct 2019 #148
No, there's no contradiction. They determined that, based on the babies weight and pnwmom Oct 2019 #149
Wrong Major Nikon Oct 2019 #152
The retroactive determination didn't change the fact that using the best facts they had AT THE TIME pnwmom Oct 2019 #157
Wrong Major Nikon Oct 2019 #161
They didn't have a standard for ethylmercury then, so they used the standard of the other form, pnwmom Oct 2019 #162
Wrong Major Nikon Oct 2019 #164
The levels had exceeded the only standard they had, which was the other form. pnwmom Oct 2019 #166
They made no such claim and issued no such order Major Nikon Oct 2019 #167
From the FDA: "The US Public Health Service decided that as much mercury as possible pnwmom Oct 2019 #168
A pamphlet which doesn't say the FDA ordered anything Major Nikon Oct 2019 #171
How does this not support what I've already said? There is no contradiction at all. pnwmom Oct 2019 #172
Nice try. You edited your post and changed your claim Major Nikon Oct 2019 #175
LOL. What post did I change? NONE of my posts in this thread have any edits. pnwmom Oct 2019 #176
You might want to check your facts before handing out ridicule. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #100
It appears you are not going to get a response Iwasthere Oct 2019 #108
Care to inform us one what the danger of that Mercury is? GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #138
Did I say there was a danger? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #159
That isn't the point she was making. Since the vaccine IS available in a mercury-free form, pnwmom Oct 2019 #169
Wrong - there is mercury in multi-dose vaccines - single dose is mercury free womanofthehills Oct 2019 #129
Have the discussion about flu shots with your health care provider irisblue Oct 2019 #58
I have had that discussion and the doctor could not answer my question Iwasthere Oct 2019 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Oct 2019 #118
Each injectable has an insert with the ingredients & % of each. irisblue Oct 2019 #119
Here is a chart from CDC of different flu shots & what is in them womanofthehills Oct 2019 #130
Hi! I've not been on much recently, wondered if you were still around. uppityperson Oct 2019 #60
Take that mercury bullshit elsewhere, thanks. Codeine Oct 2019 #66
Adults check their facts, before ridiculing people who have their facts straight Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #101
Im talking about it being an issue at all. Codeine Oct 2019 #104
The only assertion by the person to whom you responded was: Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #133
Thank you, Ms. Toad, for your thoughtful response. n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #178
You can choose to get a flu shot with or without mercury womanofthehills Oct 2019 #131
That sounds a million times worse than anything I've ever contracted. ffr Oct 2019 #15
LIke someone said upthread, some strains hit the young and healthy worse obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #32
Never had a flu shot Joe Nation Oct 2019 #17
I'm 71 and have never taken a flu shot. Haven't had flu since college. sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #120
Exactly the case for me too. The flu is a minor inconvenience, mild at best. ffr Oct 2019 #121
I credit my lifelong fitness regimen to my flu resistance. Blue_true Oct 2019 #139
Never had a flu shot either womanofthehills Oct 2019 #132
The 63 years I did get the flu shot Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #18
That sounds far more like Mono than the flu. Joe Nation Oct 2019 #19
It was 100% the flu obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #33
My wife has seen me as a skeleton human in a hospital bed because of the flu. hunter Oct 2019 #22
Right?! It feels horrible obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #34
Never had the flu shot - got the flu once. rainin Oct 2019 #23
He did not get teh flu from the shot -- 100% wrong obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #47
I know. I comment on DU regularly and get no interest. rainin Oct 2019 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #70
Me Too RobinA Oct 2019 #83
Yep. The herd immunity argument... BS! Iwasthere Oct 2019 #111
For a vaccine as ineffective as the influenza vaccine the participation required is more than 100% Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #134
Stop posting misinformation. Aristus Oct 2019 #122
LOL I literally posted my personal experience. hahahahahahahaha rainin Oct 2019 #124
Glad you're having so much fun with this. Aristus Oct 2019 #126
I forget the year The Wizard Oct 2019 #29
Yes! Exactly -- you literally cannot move obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #36
Just got my flu shot yesterday Raftergirl Oct 2019 #37
At 65 I've only had two shots. The second one was this past Saturday. nt Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #42
Didn't take it for 40 years, got the flu once. Taken it last 2 yrs. I'm around people post chemo flying_wahini Oct 2019 #43
You are a good person obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #44
I've been told by Docs that flu may be the cause of hypothyroidism Auggie Oct 2019 #45
That is so interesting! obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #51
Yeah -- one doc, at least ... Auggie Oct 2019 #53
Never had a flu shot. Never had the flu. former9thward Oct 2019 #48
And there's the back the t-shirt. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #113
I got the flu BEFORE commonly available flu shots..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #54
I get them most years. safeinOhio Oct 2019 #55
Anti-vax nonsense Ladygrey Oct 2019 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #59
No doctor worth his salt would ever say that.... Ladygrey Oct 2019 #86
Thank you for your post. smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #75
K&R for visibility lunamagica Oct 2019 #57
Are you sure it was the flu and not norovirus? Freddie Oct 2019 #61
It was 100% the flu obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #90
Have got shots since diagnosed with diabeties I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2019 #62
Flu is a viral respiratory illness Meowmee Oct 2019 #65
Ummm.... maybe not try and call me wrong or a liar obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #91
Hmm Meowmee Oct 2019 #154
I ride public transit and work with all sorts of characters IronLionZion Oct 2019 #67
I never get sick and dont trust vaccines. nt LexVegas Oct 2019 #68
i started to rant then saw it was you obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #92
I've had the flu and the flu shot. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2019 #71
On my calendar after MuseRider Oct 2019 #77
yup obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #93
I get one every year tishaLA Oct 2019 #78
We're in our 70's, got our shots last week. secondwind Oct 2019 #80
I didn't even know that was a thing until last year obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #94
The nastiest flu I ever got was 2001 davekriss Oct 2019 #85
Yeah, my doctor said it just really messed with me obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #95
"feels like ... dying" davekriss Oct 2019 #179
Sounds like norovirus to me. roamer65 Oct 2019 #87
Except it wasn't, it was the flu obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #96
Ugh. Glad u made it through it. roamer65 Oct 2019 #125
My husband never gets a flu shot. Usually he's fine. Until this past spring. a la izquierda Oct 2019 #98
I don't see flu shots as being the same JenniferJuniper Oct 2019 #102
I had not had Flu Shot in so long I do not even know when I had one... BadGimp Oct 2019 #105
A great reminder. Thanks amuse bouche Oct 2019 #109
One day our kids will look back on this and wonder WTF? Iwasthere Oct 2019 #115
Unlike some vaccinations, I view flu shots as security blankets. Blue_true Oct 2019 #144
I have never had a flu shot. I have gotten noticeably sick only twice. Blue_true Oct 2019 #136
I wonder how many of the 80,000 people who die each year from the flu, GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #140
Actually between 12,000 and 80,000 die each year womanofthehills Oct 2019 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Oct 2019 #180
In the US? Can you share your source for this stat? ehrnst Oct 2019 #181
but for WHICH flu? samnsara Oct 2019 #153
We went and got ours yesterday. Better safe than sorry! Luciferous Oct 2019 #155
I get a flu shot every year. I got flu 4 times one year, 3 another. McCamy Taylor Oct 2019 #156
The best deterrent to getting the flu or a cold is washing your hands frequently YOHABLO Oct 2019 #174
If you're not sure about a flu shot, check in with your doctor... cynatnite Oct 2019 #165
There is a chance that you would have gotten it any way that year Polybius Oct 2019 #177
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