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Smilo

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77. Oh for fuck's sake

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:03 PM

Sep 2012

I can't believe some here are saying that anyone receiving welfare should basically live in cave and only have bread and water.

So these people buy the odd beer, treat themselves to oh my God a manicure - maybe every week they save a dollar - a measly stinking dollar so they can treat themselves and believe that they matter - that they are not the downtrodden , unimportant and despised people that so many believe they are.

Everyone and I mean everyone could be in their position tomorrow - you would, of course, be quite happy to sit and write application after stinking application, go from interview to interview and not want to look nice, or may be drown your sorrows.

I am so fed up of people being "mightier than thou" because they can look down on others - never thinking there for the Grace of God go I.

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Facebook meme: 'If you can afford beer...you don't need food stamps or welfare' [View all] alp227 Sep 2012 OP

Friend ??? n/t jaysunb Sep 2012 #1

I bet I know your FB friend's DU name. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #2

Oh yeah I've seen even DUers state this POV. alp227 Sep 2012 #4

May they all achieve the state they are projecting here. (nt) enough Sep 2012 #3

Seriously, how can you argue with it? MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #5

I second this. GaYellowDawg Sep 2012 #9

Agreed... Mmm_Bacon Sep 2012 #39

You can't buy cigarettes or booze with your food stamp card nobodyspecial Sep 2012 #70

very nice job of missing the point... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2012 #115

you can easily get around that .... Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #175

No bacon for you then because bacon is unhealthy.... unhealthier then beer Ellipsis Sep 2012 #87

It's ok... Mmm_Bacon Sep 2012 #121

Why not both? Ellipsis Sep 2012 #163

Breakfast of champions Mmm_Bacon Sep 2012 #170

Delicious... Number_9 Sep 2012 #201

Well If they can't have beer mercuryblues Sep 2012 #138

If you're poor, you don't deserve even a moment of pleasure. Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #11

I hate that kind of thinking (I know you do too) tjdee Sep 2012 #20

I agree with the other posters above, except an occasional beer is okay. But manicures... Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #34

Thing is, people assume poor people are alcoholics who spent their welfare money on iPhones. tjdee Sep 2012 #73

As a practical matter, I don't think it's possible to police what people spend their own $ on. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #78

But you'd be thinking you'd get another job right? tjdee Sep 2012 #161

Yes, I would live like a bum, in case I didn't find new employment. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #169

It is very possible to police how much "of their own money" they get in public assistance. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #164

I don't assume that just because a woman has avebury Sep 2012 #144

It is cruel - especially when there are no jobs. Why do people want to punish them? reformist2 Sep 2012 #76

that is how I read it Skittles Sep 2012 #114

It isn't that. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #162

I'd get more pleasure out of having more food and things for my child.. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #177

Obviously, you don't get it. I'm not poor, but i have priorities for how I spend my money. MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #230

so poor people can't have a few luxuries every now and then? Terra Alta Sep 2012 #15

Manicures and tattoos? Hmmmmm. I give myself my own manicures...they're too expensive Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #36

If they want a tattoo or a manicure Terra Alta Sep 2012 #53

I wouldn't like it, because I'm paying for their food, and I think manicures are a stupid way to Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #79

it upsets me much more that the Rmoneys of the world fuck us over by stealing billions Whisp Sep 2012 #155

I work and pay taxes too Terra Alta Sep 2012 #165

Tattoo artists and mannicurists BarackTheVote Sep 2012 #174

and poor people are supposed to look bad DBoon Sep 2012 #81

I do most of those things you seem to think are hardships. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #137

beer, tattoos, and even manicures are not every day purchases for most forthemiddle Sep 2012 #166

If they're getting money from me, damn right I'm going to judge them. MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #190

wow, what a compassionate post. Terra Alta Sep 2012 #204

Yuck Marrah_G Sep 2012 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #232

God forbid somebody with a difficult life do something for themselves, ever. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #17

I relax doing free things Missycim Sep 2012 #126

That's nice, do you want a cookie? LeftyMom Sep 2012 #159

If you go to the dark side Missycim Sep 2012 #168

They are called FOOD STAMPS. Not booze stamps, not cigarette stamps, not tatoo or manicure stamps. MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #191

Food stamps can't be used to buy booze, or cigarettes, or anything else Terra Alta Sep 2012 #203

That's why THEY CAN'T BUY ANY OF THOSE THINGS. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #234

How about this? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #22

I agree on the cigarettes (as a former smoker). But they will probably cut down to the minimum... Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #37

+1 Habibi Sep 2012 #54

It's incredibly simplistic gollygee Sep 2012 #23

They have to get manicures to match their fur coats and the limosines eShirl Sep 2012 #49

One can give oneself a manicure for next to nothing. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #51

"addictions didn't work the way they do" hfojvt Sep 2012 #99

Ah come on, it is all relative. Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #24

I was also one of six. SheilaT Sep 2012 #29

I agree 'bout the beer. Kick back, forget your troubles, and have a couple of beers with the guys.nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #38

Seriously, how can you give a shit? Brickbat Sep 2012 #27

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y ! TPTB love pitting the populace against itself because snappyturtle Sep 2012 #59

Exactly. Best post in the thread. One can trust that the proletariat will turn on each other anneboleyn Sep 2012 #227

Years ago, when I was a single mom, I was on Welfare Chemisse Sep 2012 #30

I remember reading about a lawmaker who lived with his family on minimum wage, as a "test" Skittles Sep 2012 #112

You're not a liberal Hutzpa Sep 2012 #33

I think you need to look up the definition of the word. You are out of touch. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #43

Since when did we start monitoring what others do with their money? Hutzpa Sep 2012 #44

Out of curiosity... Mmm_Bacon Sep 2012 #122

Since you know I'm not Hutzpa Sep 2012 #200

Look, I'll worry chloes1 Sep 2012 #50

BINGO. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #68

don't lecture people on what it means to be a liberal. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #180

Bullfuckingshit MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #192

Exactly my point Hutzpa Sep 2012 #205

well, as to your point WooWooWoo Sep 2012 #46

How do you know they didn't give themselves that manicure? GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #145

i don't think that was the point WooWooWoo Sep 2012 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #60

absolutely! i agree, anyone on welfare should be locked up and force-fed nutritious food only! unblock Sep 2012 #66

Hell I got an email from a friend that said Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #94

I can fucking argue with it quite a bit... cynatnite Sep 2012 #75

Thank you. jaded_old_cynic Sep 2012 #217

Well said! smokey nj Sep 2012 #221

+1 Marrah_G Sep 2012 #222

+1,000,000,000. Brilliantly put! Exactly. anneboleyn Sep 2012 #229

Beer is food -- soda on the other hand not so much Ellipsis Sep 2012 #83

You cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol with food stamps. juajen Sep 2012 #120

Soda is... candy is, as well as junk food and coffee. Ellipsis Sep 2012 #158

I can. Even the poorest among us need recreation. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #90

Yes Mr. Reagan. Those welfare queens in their Cadillacs are sure awful. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2012 #95

I volunteer delivering meals and gifts to welfare families during the holidays. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #181

So your issue is you have no idea what things cost then? jeff47 Sep 2012 #225

Cigarettes are no luxury, they are a highly addictive drug. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #100

I just want to educate you about something. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #102

So where does that kind of thinking end? fasttense Sep 2012 #103

Well, what a smug little attitude. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #108

Social benefits are based off income, not extra spending cash. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #109

i think it refers to the cuts of meat. barbtries Sep 2012 #186

Apparently. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #238

I border on socialism... a la izquierda Sep 2012 #118

I am a socialist rbrnmw Sep 2012 #129

So how exactly do you propose enforcing your welfare police state? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #130

Lifelong Democrat and agree with you. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #176

liberal as they come, i don't think so. barbtries Sep 2012 #185

They left out cell phone Politicalboi Sep 2012 #6

How dare a person on food stamps take measures to be able to communicate like a civilized person. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #91

That's because a cell phone is now cheaper than a landline. jeff47 Sep 2012 #96

If your friend thinks those things represent a life of luxury... CJCRANE Sep 2012 #7

Why draw the line there, then? Let's just buy poor people EVERYTHING they want! MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #193

We let bankers buy everything they want with our taxpayers' money CJCRANE Sep 2012 #198

I would agree with most of it, but point out that BlueStreak Sep 2012 #8

Gawd how do these morons live without brains?? rbrnmw Sep 2012 #10

and if you can afford a yacht, you don't need my taxes 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #12

if you can afford a fire extinguisher you dont need fire departments....wait, there's more! msongs Sep 2012 #13

How much did taxpayers pay to bailout the banks? CJCRANE Sep 2012 #14

food stamps can't be used to buy beer or cigarettes Terra Alta Sep 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu Sep 2012 #18

I find this crap to be the most unsettling Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #19

And you raise a lot of problems. Igel Sep 2012 #26

"But their mother could have a nice hairdo." Habibi Sep 2012 #58

NO kidding. That is such bs. laundry_queen Sep 2012 #206

I'm sorry Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #65

So you don't know what you're talking about, but we should take your anecdote as proof? jeff47 Sep 2012 #98

This is the exact problem with making assumptions gollygee Sep 2012 #173

+1 laundry_queen Sep 2012 #207

the people who have posted this on my FB feed, are all Bluerthanblue Sep 2012 #21

Who is this imaginary person they're all yelling at? rucky Sep 2012 #25

I think he made an appearance at the RNC the other night... Brickbat Sep 2012 #28

The poor are not allowed to have any pleasure at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2012 #31

Yes. And if they are elderly/disabled and poor, and on assistance, Habibi Sep 2012 #61

I myself am sometimes guilty of looking at women SheilaT Sep 2012 #32

Wonder why they care so much treestar Sep 2012 #35

**THAT** is a great response, LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #67

And yet, LuvLoogie Sep 2012 #40

Highly hilarious when "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" are jealous of people who have nothing. HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #41

As a nation, we give money to the rich and well-to-do (that they don't deserve). They buy... BlueJazz Sep 2012 #42

That's pretty much my response as well. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #52

spacer NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #45

IF YOU CAN AFFORD VACATION HOMES AND THREE PLUS CARS, YOU DON'T NEED TAX BREAKS. NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #47

damn right DBoon Sep 2012 #82

Respond ... "I wish many of the rural whites folks I know would take your advice." JoePhilly Sep 2012 #48

As Americans we should all strive to make poverty... Speck Tater Sep 2012 #55

well why would they ever want to leave it if they aren't properly suffering. ejpoeta Sep 2012 #220

Did they forget Cadillacs? NOLALady Sep 2012 #56

They now drive BMWs and Mercedes. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #62

If you can afford a dressage horse, you don't need tax shelters in Switzerland & the Cayman Islands klook Sep 2012 #57

AMEN! anneboleyn Sep 2012 #235

Beer is the signature beverage of human civilization jberryhill Sep 2012 #63

Does that meme only apply to poor welfare recipients or does it apply to corporate welfare as well? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #64

here's the point of view in a nutshell: not a penny more than what you need to minimally survive. unblock Sep 2012 #69

I like the way the Dead Kennedies put it DBoon Sep 2012 #85

thanks! i was scratching my head for a reference like that! unblock Sep 2012 #124

thank you for stating this as clearly as you have zuzu98 Sep 2012 #237

This prompted me to make a video, which I never do ... Akoto Sep 2012 #71

thank you for posting this. barbtries Sep 2012 #194

Food aid... even if the recipients buy beer... Bigmack Sep 2012 #72

While I might balk at seeing someone spend on ALL those things while kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #74

Oh for fuck's sake Smilo Sep 2012 #77

+ infinity etherealtruth Sep 2012 #156

Yes! I am so tired of the appalling demonization of the poor. It is sickening, and it is irrelevant. anneboleyn Sep 2012 #231

and, hey, if you can minimally survive after taxes, you can afford a top 90% marginal tax rate. unblock Sep 2012 #80

This boils down to "People on welfare do things I don't like. Therefore welfare should be abolished DBoon Sep 2012 #84

Actually it more boils down to "I've got mine so fuck you!!!" Initech Sep 2012 #86

Stop it! chknltl Sep 2012 #88

Recreation is a psychological need. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #89

exactly. so why are we paying corporate welfare then? NuttyFluffers Sep 2012 #92

When the Pentagon stops flushing money down the toilet bluestateguy Sep 2012 #93

They know little it appears about what one gets from assistance Dragonfli Sep 2012 #97

Anyone else notice the font? KansDem Sep 2012 #101

Damn right people on very low incomes should still have fun in their lives. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #104

Wow, congratulations on your weight loss so far forthemiddle Sep 2012 #199

Or a 15% unearned-income tax rate n/t krispos42 Sep 2012 #105

Straw man argument... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #106

Thank you etherealtruth Sep 2012 #209

I usually use the personal ethical standard to evaluate questions like this. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #107

Maybe food stamps should be done differently. Instead of giving a dollar amount, give them dkf Sep 2012 #110

Bad week in Tampa, eh? RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #116

People complain that healthy food is too expensive. dkf Sep 2012 #142

How arrogantly offensive rbrnmw Sep 2012 #117

Better to help supply people with foods that are bad for them? dkf Sep 2012 #143

Makes sense... Mmm_Bacon Sep 2012 #123

I have an even better idea. DLevine Sep 2012 #127

Part of it is a country that eats very unhealthily incurring outsized health care costs. dkf Sep 2012 #141

And then let's hope they don't work too many hours so they have time gollygee Sep 2012 #154

or they don't have the proper storage facilities for unprocessed food laundry_queen Sep 2012 #211

I haven't checked the person's feed lately davidpdx Sep 2012 #111

demonization of the poor Skittles Sep 2012 #113

I would counter quaker bill Sep 2012 #119

How long does it take you to earn enough money to pay for a gallon of milk? ProSense Sep 2012 #125

skipping the beer isn't going to make the difference between self-sufficiency and welfare ibegurpard Sep 2012 #195

Whenever I see someone claim.. sendero Sep 2012 #128

Funny Thing Livluvgrow Sep 2012 #131

A rational response to a Teabagger? 99Forever Sep 2012 #132

Those are all really bad purchase decisions for someone who is impoverished to make Taitertots Sep 2012 #133

Used to see it all the time at the store I worked at madville Sep 2012 #134

My response to my nephew's wife when she pulled this Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #135

My son-in-law was raised in extreme poverty. His mother and her two SDjack Sep 2012 #136

Thank you for posting this etherealtruth Sep 2012 #147

What kind of welfare are we talking about, personal or corporate? reflection Sep 2012 #139

Ask this Facebook idiot what s/he thinks about bankers who get corporate welfare. Zalatix Sep 2012 #140

Sounds logical to me - lynne Sep 2012 #146

you can't argue with slogans Enrique Sep 2012 #148

Never mind that the instance of drug use among welfare users is LOWER.... GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #149

I unfriended someone because of this. ceile Sep 2012 #150

"They" always come out in these threads etherealtruth Sep 2012 #153

So with the $ 5 the person has for a 6er, AllyCat Sep 2012 #151

I work hard etherealtruth Sep 2012 #152

You can start off by showing them a short list of real "welfare queens" tjwash Sep 2012 #157

You can play dueling images with them as well: tjwash Sep 2012 #160

Good one! nt laundry_queen Sep 2012 #213

What we need is a generous welfare system that competes directly with crap jobs. hunter Sep 2012 #167

You could say... Hugin Sep 2012 #171

Someone I know, who worked with folks on assistance Mopar151 Sep 2012 #172

I have to say I know some people will use food cards Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #178

My sister is on food stamps and has a designer purse and an iPhone. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #179

This entire thread eilen Sep 2012 #182

Better than Capone? alp227 Sep 2012 #214

it's just so mean. barbtries Sep 2012 #183

Awesome, we haven't had a "the poor should be obligatory ascetics" thread in awhile. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #184

My response MFrohike Sep 2012 #187

I always find it ironic... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #188

That gave me an idea laundry_queen Sep 2012 #218

I wonder who is funding this? suffragette Sep 2012 #196

Mitt Romney can be president Herlong Sep 2012 #202

Wrong! Glitterati Sep 2012 #208

Get angry enough. Herlong Sep 2012 #210

What makes me crazy Glitterati Sep 2012 #212

Bigger the tent Herlong Sep 2012 #215

I went to that site and posted this CatWoman Sep 2012 #216

There are some nasty responses in this thread Marrah_G Sep 2012 #223

Please! Bobcat Sep 2012 #226

Republicans are the party of the rich and the strong and fit riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #228

How sad and small a person does one have to be to begrudge someone who qualifies for foodstamps AzDar Sep 2012 #233

My response, anyone who has Swiss & Cayman bank accounts, 3+ mansions, car elevators, dancing horses Raine Sep 2012 #236