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MarcA

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67. Very well stated. The evolution of human kind takes steps and the
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:44 PM
Oct 2019

necessary course corrections. I think the use of the various U.S. States and
nation states themselves can be used in this process. As you stated, it takes time
and destructive revolutions simply impede the process. Perhaps the concepts of
co-ops and other we-the-people approaches could be useful. In the past they have been
the catalyst for much that took root and grew. Principles and values will be of the
up most importance, as even criminal gangs can be well organized. Remembering that
there will always be disagreements, it must be realized that no system will be perfect and
that if the differences should become significant enough an amicable separation is
acceptable. Much more to be said but thank you for your posts.

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We are overdue for getting rid of that dinosaur, the Electoral College. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #1
As I keep saying, we need major structural reform. But the very reasons why we need reform... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #2
Take away the veto power of the Senate. roamer65 Oct 2019 #4
There is a simpler way: Lift the cap on representatives Jake Stern Oct 2019 #27
It would be helpful if we had a lower and more equal ratio of representatives:constituents, but... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #44
Did not realize TheFarseer Oct 2019 #52
Rethink the Senate Nasruddin Oct 2019 #33
There are strong arguments for getting rid of all borders, state and national. As you say... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #37
I imagine Canada and Mexico fescuerescue Oct 2019 #73
If Dump loses the popular, but wins by electoral in '20 this country won't survive it. roamer65 Oct 2019 #3
I would add one very important caveat, that being IF the Rethugs also retain the Senate in 2020 and Celerity Oct 2019 #9
I agree, but I think the possible breakup will come sooner if your scenario becomes reality. roamer65 Oct 2019 #12
shit wont really hit the fan action-wise until enough people feel the real burn IMHO Celerity Oct 2019 #23
Right Cosmocat Oct 2019 #49
The framers likely would have expected the Constitution to have been rewritten by now. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #39
Agreed. The new Constitution controlled by red states, oligarchs and MarcA Oct 2019 #45
Better yet would be doing away with the nation-state concept, but it'll take a while... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #47
Very well stated. The evolution of human kind takes steps and the MarcA Oct 2019 #67
The human race is one more world war away from this epiphany. roamer65 Oct 2019 #70
Are you familiar with Cooperation Jackson? Garrett78 Oct 2019 #76
Why do you think it would take that long (2030s)? Dan Oct 2019 #80
Because it is not an instant process of stripping away civil Celerity Oct 2019 #83
There will be civil unrest the likes of which this country has never seen... and rightfully so!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #32
Why? regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #36
The country would survive and may even, one day, be stronger than ever. *But*... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #40
The Electoral College votes the way the States they represent voted. I do not like the EC, but napi21 Oct 2019 #5
What is the problem treestar Oct 2019 #6
Not just campaigning fescuerescue Oct 2019 #72
Why are less populated areas less populated? jberryhill Oct 2019 #10
Because most of them are farmers & ranchers who provide our FOOD & MEAT! We NEED their napi21 Oct 2019 #15
simple retort to that Celerity Oct 2019 #28
So are we and I presume they would not refuse to sell to us treestar Oct 2019 #53
That's great jberryhill Oct 2019 #55
Why should I trust the judgement of people who live in much of California? Jake Stern Oct 2019 #22
You have not explained why they have a disproportionate vote jberryhill Oct 2019 #57
And it's not about trusting their judgement or not... Salviati Oct 2019 #25
Exactly. nt Progressive Jones Oct 2019 #26
Notice how the replies above missed that jberryhill Oct 2019 #58
The low population states make bad choices because a large proportion of their populations diane in sf Oct 2019 #18
There are sensible ways to ensure justice for smaller states without maintaining... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #41
But the EC isn't even performing its duty as originally intended. ecstatic Oct 2019 #69
Its original intent was to give slave states disproportionate power. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #74
I actually like what Pete Buttigieg had to say about this. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #7
I also like his idea of increasing the number of justices in the SCOTUS. Celerity Oct 2019 #17
I'd rather we reduce the number of justices to 0 Nasruddin Oct 2019 #29
so when a state, say Alabama, passes a law that says I can be imprisoned when I have sex w/ my wife Celerity Oct 2019 #31
15 Supreme Court Justices seems about right, at least as a first step. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #34
+1 Celerity Oct 2019 #42
I would make it 19 or 28 Justices jmowreader Oct 2019 #84
Interesting suggestion. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #85
Increasing the number of justices is unfair TheFarseer Oct 2019 #56
When options are limited by the blatant intransigence of a handful of RW states Jake Stern Oct 2019 #65
True TheFarseer Oct 2019 #66
I agree. diane in sf Oct 2019 #19
I appreciate that Buttigieg, more than anyone else, is talking about... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #43
Me too! I made it my signature several months ago: ecstatic Oct 2019 #77
Good for you, my dear ecstatic! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #79
Agree 100% colsohlibgal Oct 2019 #8
Any ideas how? brooklynite Oct 2019 #11
And to amend the Constitution will require a supermajority of state legislatures... regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #38
Actually is Russian interference not the electoral college that caused 2016. Joe941 Oct 2019 #13
Many thing went bad in 2016. applegrove Oct 2019 #14
actually it is both Skittles Oct 2019 #16
Yep, it only took a combined margin of 70k votes in WI, MI, and PA to throw the election. diane in sf Oct 2019 #21
absolutely correct Skittles Oct 2019 #24
They played the EC like a fiddle Freddie Oct 2019 #60
Russian interference would not have mattered treestar Oct 2019 #54
My point is even with the electoral college Clinton would have won... Joe941 Oct 2019 #64
When is any university going to "survey" the Pentagon, huh? Is the US military planning to be some ancianita Oct 2019 #20
We can talk all we want about changing the system. Nothing will get done without majorities in both YOHABLO Oct 2019 #30
Texas EveDibb Oct 2019 #35
oh bullshit evertonfc Oct 2019 #46
There's a reason why it's happened twice in such a short span of time. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #81
Essentially the tyranny of the minority system Freddie Oct 2019 #48
The tyranny of the minority is enabled maxrandb Oct 2019 #50
But even if we win the WH, House and Senate Freddie Oct 2019 #61
The system is one of tyranny of the minority. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #51
Part of the problem is that we have too many states Buckeyeblue Oct 2019 #59
Rich pigs and corporation owners make I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2019 #62
Can anyone explain why a 'winner take all' system is permitted to exist in some states? pecosbob Oct 2019 #63
Aren't 48 states out of 50 winner take all? Polybius Oct 2019 #68
The electoral college belongs on the dust heap of history. It's an eighteenth century anachronism. dawg Oct 2019 #71
K&R ck4829 Oct 2019 #75
K&R JonLP24 Oct 2019 #78
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