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LanternWaste

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102. can you provide a link to any reputable gun training program that denies an open door in one's house

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 07:52 AM

Oct 2019

As such the corollary... can you provide a link to any reputable gun training program that denies opening a door to allow a breeze in?

Or are you simply holding others to a higher standard of evidence to support a premise than you hold yourself to?

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Cop shot unarmed black woman in her own home THROUGH WINDOW. After 4 seconds. [View all] DetlefK Oct 2019 OP

damn, more unprofessional freakin officers uponit7771 Oct 2019 #1

Someone unidentified screams at me from outside, I'm thinking, "Who the fuck is that?" TheBlackAdder Oct 2019 #70

The recurring thought I have when I watch police shows and they enter a dark room is: flor-de-jasmim Oct 2019 #2

Wow... ck4829 Oct 2019 #3

another big civil award will be coming that the police don;t have to spend a dime on, Need beachbumbob Oct 2019 #4

It should come out of their pension funds. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2019 #61

Dear god.... Freedomofspeech Oct 2019 #5

One bad cop destroys the good work of hundreds... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #6

Not just one bad in Fort Worth, it's a pattern JCMach1 Oct 2019 #7

Yeah-- I was speaking general, but Ft. Worth has a real problem. TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #8

Definitely, and the rot starts at the top JCMach1 Oct 2019 #131

like this, good cops PROTECT the bad cops and in my book, makes them all bad too beachbumbob Oct 2019 #99

Don't bother having a gun if one leaves the door wide open. Kaleva Oct 2019 #9

It's not even clear she was near the gun or that gun played any role in the cop shooting Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #10

She heard a noise in her backyard and went to investigate, reportedly. LisaL Oct 2019 #14

Why have a gun at all if one is going to leave the door wide open? Kaleva Oct 2019 #15

It's my understanding it wasn't even her home Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #26

"...as if saying she brought it upon herself." Mariana Oct 2019 #32

What's going on in this thread is sickening Hav Oct 2019 #36

To be fair, it's only the one poster doing that. Mariana Oct 2019 #41

Yes, it's one person Hav Oct 2019 #49

That's exactly what it is kcr Oct 2019 #80

yes Piasladic Oct 2019 #90

I open my front door for fresh air, sometimes, and I have stayed in my LR, late at night. irisblue Oct 2019 #81

Same here. cwydro Oct 2019 #108

The police may have planted the gun on her. UCmeNdc Oct 2019 #94

no more info needed llashram Oct 2019 #113

"A firearm was found in the home." Mariana Oct 2019 #11

Even if she had it in her hand, it doesn't sound like police ever announced themselves as being the LisaL Oct 2019 #12

I believe most training programs recommend that the gun owner yell out that they are armed, Kaleva Oct 2019 #22

You obviously haven't read the story. Mariana Oct 2019 #30

The news reports don't say that she didn't know anyone was there until a cop yelled at her. Kaleva Oct 2019 #34

It's hard to ask a dead woman if she knew if some one was there. irisblue Oct 2019 #83

She was inside her home. She can't go to look through the window as to what is going outside, LisaL Oct 2019 #44

Not if she suspects there were prowlers. Kaleva Oct 2019 #62

So it's her own fault that she got shot? Chemisse Oct 2019 #115

The cop didn't give her much time to do any of that in the 4 seconds before he shot her. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #105

Yep. Alliepoo Oct 2019 #128

Not a new rule StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #129

If I'm in my house, I actually have a right to look out my window. cwydro Oct 2019 #118

If she had it in her hand, the police would have said so right away. Mariana Oct 2019 #27

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #17

An irresponsible gun owner? Really? Oh, you mean the cop. McCamy Taylor Oct 2019 #20

It must be fun to make stuff up, and then believe it. Mariana Oct 2019 #25

It's in every news report that the door was open. Kaleva Oct 2019 #37

She deserved to get mowed down in her own home because she accidentally left a door open. Crunchy Frog Oct 2019 #65

Where is it reported that she accidently left it open? Kaleva Oct 2019 #68

Fresh air? Soft night breeze with the smell of flowers? Moon light shining in? irisblue Oct 2019 #84

Having a gun means you have to hole up in your house and never open the doors or windows? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author tonedevil Oct 2019 #76

Standard protocol--blame the victim, cast doubt, ecstatic Oct 2019 #53

You're doing a lot of work in this thread to excuse the cops. Why? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #28

No shit. cwydro Oct 2019 #33

I haven't mentioned the police but many here seem to just want to concentrate on the police... Kaleva Oct 2019 #40

"I haven't mentioned the police". Right, that's the point WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #45

Do you agree or disagree with this: Kaleva Oct 2019 #46

Speculating about victims and their actions is a pro-cop game I'm not interested in playing. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #54

You didn't say you couldn't list anything the gun owner may have done wrong. Kaleva Oct 2019 #56

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #57

You badge-sniffing cops-uber-alles liberalhistorian Oct 2019 #91

+1 dalton99a Oct 2019 #97

I'm generally sympathetic to cops and try to give them the benefit of the doubt. Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #122

Good people do not H2O Man Oct 2019 #123

They shot her in her home. Tipperary Oct 2019 #95

Shame on you! nt ecstatic Oct 2019 #55

If you look at my history, you'll see I'm very hardcore about responsible gun ownership. Kaleva Oct 2019 #58

That's fine, but has nothing to do with a woman being executed in her own home. ecstatic Oct 2019 #59

At this time, we don't know what the cop saw and we are speculating up to a point. Kaleva Oct 2019 #66

The cop didn't have much time to see anything in 4 seconds StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #109

Wow, where the f do you live? cwydro Oct 2019 #112

Get out of your own head for a minute. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #120

The hill you're defending is made of sand. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #100

FFS, really? Wow, I see what you are doing! nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #60

Do you agree wit hme that if it's safe to leave the door open, then there is no reason for a gun? Kaleva Oct 2019 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author tonedevil Oct 2019 #72

I disagree with every disingenuous point you've made in the thread Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #78

Your logic is flawed because it's too black and white and doesn't ecstatic Oct 2019 #93

It's fun to pretend A -B. But that's simply another logical fallacy. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #101

If you own a gun, don't ever leave your door open. And if you do leave your door open and a cop come StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #110

Speaking of untrained... ck4829 Oct 2019 #74

Yeah, guess she got what she deserved mcar Oct 2019 #82

Okay, that's enough. Iggo Oct 2019 #103

I don't think her gun had anything to do with it StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #104

It's finally turned cool here in NC. cwydro Oct 2019 #106

Victim blaming is gross. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #119

Here's a bit more context Major Nikon Oct 2019 #13

For those concerned about security, the doors are the first line of defense. Kaleva Oct 2019 #18

Excuse me? This women has to justify owning a gun? Why? McCamy Taylor Oct 2019 #19

This is a progressive forum and the majority here believe in strict gun control Kaleva Oct 2019 #43

This is an absolutely disgusting display. Victim blaming, and pretending to use the example Crunchy Frog Oct 2019 #69

This is a progressive forum that finds a black innocent woman shot by a police officer appalling. cwydro Oct 2019 #111

I'm fine with the banning of semi-autos, high capacity magazines, requiring owners... Kaleva Oct 2019 #48

So one shouldn't own a gun unless they live in perpetual fear of their security? Major Nikon Oct 2019 #21

I didn't say that did I? Kaleva Oct 2019 #29

According to me, really? Major Nikon Oct 2019 #85

#66 irisblue Oct 2019 #87

Opening a door at night indicates to me a desire to save some money after high cooling costs irisblue Oct 2019 #86

We did the same, we left the garage door and the back door open because of fall breezes were uponit7771 Oct 2019 #92

FTP. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #16

I am surprised....... whistler162 Oct 2019 #23

Way too much "blame the victim" here. Next some folks will ask how short her skirt was. McCamy Taylor Oct 2019 #24

Can you provide a link to any reputable gun training program that supports your arguement? Kaleva Oct 2019 #31

He shot her through the fucking window Lars39 Oct 2019 #38

You try everything in this thread to steer away the discussion Hav Oct 2019 #39

In several posts I've talked about how this could have been avoided. Kaleva Oct 2019 #42

Exactly, you only blame the victim. Hav Oct 2019 #47

There are many posts talking about the police. Kaleva Oct 2019 #50

Are you effing serious? Hav Oct 2019 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author tonedevil Oct 2019 #79

There is only one picture, here. kcr Oct 2019 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author tonedevil Oct 2019 #71

can you provide a link to any reputable gun training program that denies an open door in one's house LanternWaste Oct 2019 #102

exactly! Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #35

+1 ck4829 Oct 2019 #75

Poorly trained, trigger happy cops have created a dangerous environment. ecstatic Oct 2019 #51

How sickening is that? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #52

Conductor---I think this thread has been derailed. Can we get it back on track? McCamy Taylor Oct 2019 #63

He "feared for his life" budkin Oct 2019 #67

God... ck4829 Oct 2019 #73

Same old shit dalton99a Oct 2019 #89

Texas Woman Was Playing Video Game With Her Nephew When Shot by Police dalton99a Oct 2019 #88

In.Her.Own.Home. irisblue Oct 2019 #96

"Take it to the streets. We're not hugging them and giving them a Bible." dalton99a Oct 2019 #98

As an ex-dispatcher, I'm sympathetic to cops and try to give them the benefit of the doubt. Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #114

Did they react in a typical way (minus the shooting, of course)? Chemisse Oct 2019 #116

I'm not someone who can watch these kind of bodycam videos Hav Oct 2019 #121

In this instance, I don't think he reacted in a typical way, no. Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #125

Thanks. That is helpful for perspective on the police approach. n/t Chemisse Oct 2019 #142

.6 seconds... JCMach1 Oct 2019 #126

And that is... what, exactly? I'm afraid I don't understand the reference. N/T Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #132

Length between warning and firing at a shadow in a window JCMach1 Oct 2019 #133

Why does everybody keep saying 4 seconds wherever I read about it? Chemisse Oct 2019 #143

Too many cops are RWNJs for me to automatically give them the benefit of the doubt JonLP24 Oct 2019 #137

I judge people by their actions, not by their politics. Your mileage may vary. N/T Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #138

Their politics influence their actions JonLP24 Oct 2019 #139

"Sorry not okay with discriminatory opinions from people with law enforcement powers." Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #140

I said RWNJs for a reason JonLP24 Oct 2019 #141

I'm glad the disgusting pig has been arrested RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #144

Given the facts, so am I. Hopefully he's convicted when it goes to trial. N/T Jedi Guy Oct 2019 #145

Now that everyone and their dog is carrying guns the job has gotten so dangerous no one wants it. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2019 #124

No one wants it? Where do they come from then? ret5hd Oct 2019 #127

In every police shooting one thing is always the same Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #130

Officer has resigned... before firing JCMach1 Oct 2019 #134

Yeah, somehow I get the feeling that Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #146

Arrested and charged with murder now Alea Oct 2019 #135

Inmate now Alea Oct 2019 #136