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LiberalLovinLug

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44. But a two-tier system is better than a no-tier system

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:30 PM

Oct 2019

The rich will always find a way to pay to play. Whether its pressuring with donor money Conservative politicians to open the law to allowing more and more private options in the national healthcare system. Which happens in every western democracy over time. Or they can simply travel to some other country with less scruples to pay for medical help.

The idea is at least there is a basic service available to everyone. By basic I mean everything from a broken finger to brain cancer. If you want to pay for a private room in a luxury bed with a cadre of private nurses hovering over you 24/7 you will probably be able to do that too.

You don't get mad because there's a rich persons baby sitting in the bath, and proceed to throw out the baby AND the bath water meant for everyone.

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Why we can't just admit that universal health care should be paid by taxes???? [View all] garybeck Oct 2019 OP

That's what Warren should have said. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #1

exactly! even the other D's are attacking her because she won't JUST SAY IT garybeck Oct 2019 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author DrToast Oct 2019 #10

Preach, Gary, Preach Duckandcover Oct 2019 #2

Elizabeth Warren needs to say it, not me. n/t garybeck Oct 2019 #4

I know, but you nailed it... Duckandcover Oct 2019 #5

I prefer to call it a National Insurance Contribution. mwooldri Oct 2019 #6

If we really wanted to support small business Phoenix61 Oct 2019 #7

You can say it, I can say it, Warren and Sanders can say it. Question is - will people believe it, Hoyt Oct 2019 #8

why is it with the hundreds of millions we pay think tanks each year SterlingPound Oct 2019 #61

The problem will be the elimination of private insurance. AJT Oct 2019 #9

The problem with that scheme is it creates a two-tier system. roamer65 Oct 2019 #13

There will always be multiple tiers of health insurance in a capitalistic society. unitedwethrive Oct 2019 #14

I don't agree AJT Oct 2019 #29

But a two-tier system is better than a no-tier system LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #44

All doctors and hospitals should only be allowed to accept payment from the single payor. roamer65 Oct 2019 #57

The problem is the middle class will Sewa Oct 2019 #11

GOP will also hammer the first part (higher taxes) only. And that will stick for a lot of people. NCLefty Oct 2019 #19

Most in this country are too stupid to realize that paying part/all of a monthly premium is a tax. roamer65 Oct 2019 #12

The problem is some jobs pay for good insurance marlakay Oct 2019 #15

Are you on Medicare already? moose65 Oct 2019 #47

Husband is I am not marlakay Oct 2019 #49

Your employer not paying for your healthcare could mean more salary for you. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #48

Like that will happen Freddie Oct 2019 #51

used to be that way. today however garybeck Oct 2019 #63

That's our situation garybeck. AllyCat Oct 2019 #66

Too difficult to message. Xolodno Oct 2019 #16

Eliminating military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #17

Every time you buy something, you're paying for someone's health insurance. rickford66 Oct 2019 #18

No, taxes don't need to go up. USA spends as much already in taxes that go towards healthcare as Doodley Oct 2019 #20

Sadly Some Voters Think Universal Healthcare or M4A Means Free Healthcare Indykatie Oct 2019 #21

I think you answered your own question... Disaffected Oct 2019 #22

I'm on Medicare. I pay a PREMIUM of $155 a month to have dental vision and hearing stopbush Oct 2019 #23

That sounds right in theory... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #32

Well, my deductible on Medicare is $4500. That's for one person. stopbush Oct 2019 #33

My premiums alone ... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #36

Yeah, I've been paying for the Medicare coverage of "other people" stopbush Oct 2019 #38

No donut hole in S. 1129. roody Oct 2019 #40

Medical benefits are one of the things that are still good for gov't workers and teachers tirebiter Oct 2019 #24

I think most people that pay for health insurance now wouldn't save money with UHC. Captain Stern Oct 2019 #25

I don't know... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #26

how to pay for it is ONE issue of a great many as the entire American Healthcare industry has beachbumbob Oct 2019 #27

BUT INSURANCE PREMIUMS WILL GO AWAY / replaced by a tax for National Health System. Captain Zero Oct 2019 #28

Medicare buy in for those that want it. Private insurance still available. Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #30

Well, my employee contribution BillyBobBrilliant Oct 2019 #31

What is stopping you from going on Medicare which has a monthly premium of $135? stopbush Oct 2019 #35

People complain about a tax increase.... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #34

Yes!! People don't get that companies are going to shift more and more of the insurance cost to PaulRevere08 Oct 2019 #37

Also several other tax funded programs would be absorbed into a universal program IronLionZion Oct 2019 #39

admitted :) RT Atlanta Oct 2019 #41

Societal Savings are not tax revenues and this plan will not work in the real world Gothmog Oct 2019 #42

Agreed. liberalmike27 Oct 2019 #43

Depending on employment status forthemiddle Oct 2019 #45

Because the US waited so long to even talk about single payer, its now so complicated LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #46

I think you may be right moose65 Oct 2019 #62

Insurance companies just drain money and help jack prices. MasonDreams Oct 2019 #50

It's simply messaging. an economist like dean baker should explain the huge upside of m4a Kurt V. Oct 2019 #52

no idea why she won't do it qazplm135 Oct 2019 #53

The guy who wrote the damn Bill said it last nite. MasonDreams Oct 2019 #54

It's hopeless kwolf68 Oct 2019 #55

That would be a political death sentence for whoever said it! Same goes for Medicare doc03 Oct 2019 #56

"PRESIDENT REAGAN WILL RAISE TAXES, AND SO WILL I. HE WON'T TELL YOU; I JUST DID" brooklynite Oct 2019 #58

Cut military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #59

It's a halfwitted "gotcha" question, setup by the media, to be exploited by the GOP. Fuck em both Tarc Oct 2019 #60

Everybody wins! sarchasm Oct 2019 #64

People will believe it when they see it. So offer Medicare as a public option for anyone, pnwmom Oct 2019 #65

It's $250/month for my family coverage, but employer pays AllyCat Oct 2019 #67