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diva77

(7,880 posts)
15. You like having a private corporation come between you & your vote?
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 03:51 PM
Oct 2019

A corporation, ES&S, originally financed by the wing-nut evangelical Ahmansons and owned and run by rethugs? Do you expect them to run fair, clean, transparent elections?

Don't drink the koolaid. Lots of people have spoken out about these diabolical devices, but the "mainstream" media has failed to report on this. Here are some links to visit so that you are not duped into thinking that these ballot marking devices are "good."

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Important info:

Ballot-marking devices (BMDs) are not secure election technology

Barcoded BMD Ballot Battle in GA as Legislative Session Nears End: 'BradCast' 3/27/2018
https://bradblog.com/?p=12525
SNIP Longtime election integrity expert MARILYN MARKS, whose nonpartisan Coalition for Good Governance is suing the Peach State to force them to do away with their unverifiable Director Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines, joins us to warn about the proposed new scheme to replace them with similarly unverifiable touch-screen Ballot Marking Devices (BMDs) and why she sees that as "going from bad to worse."

"People today at least understand that their system is unverifiable, unauditable, and really a lot of guesswork," she tells me. "Unfortunately, this new system that they are so determined to find a way to put in, kind of has the look, from a distance, of a paper system. But it really is just as unverifiable."

Marks explains that the new legislation introduces computer-printed ballots with barcodes on them, which cannot be read by humans. Deceptively, the paper ballots produced by the new touch-screen systems also include a summary of the voters' votes in human-readable form. But, it is the unreadable and impossible to verify barcodes --- rather than the human-readable voter selections --- which are used by the system's computer optical-scanners to tally results. "What can be embedded in those bar codes may be very different from the human-readable list that is printed out," she says.

Even if the barcodes weren't printed on the paper ballots, Marks explains, the computer-marked ballots would still be unacceptable and unverifiable as reflecting any voter's intent after polls close on Election Night, as Jennifer Cohn recently detailed in a must-read article at The BRAD BLOG. Marks offers action items for preventing the passage of the bill, for those both in and out of the state of Georgia (as summarized here in this Twitter Moment.) SNIP


Most recent items:

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Read column & listen to podcast here: https://bradblog.com/?p=13169

There is a lot more out there about Ballot Marking Devices (BMDs) and/or election integrity.
3 sites to visit & explore:
coalitionforgoodgovernance.org
bradblog.com
fairfight.com

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What happens if you see an error on the paper printout? ramblin_dave Oct 2019 #1
I guess you could alert a poll worker and let them investigate what happened. Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #5
Presumably, you just start over. Nothing is counted until a ballot is scanned. TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #6
If you see an error, unfortunately it is your word against "the machine" and diva77 Oct 2019 #19
No. Come on. Hortensis Oct 2019 #31
Your checking BEFORE the scan. Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #35
Conspiracy theories that involve a hidden hand are more fun than Blue_true Oct 2019 #36
doesn't matter - once you feed the "ballot" back into the machine it can change your vote after the diva77 Oct 2019 #37
FACT: There is still a paper ballot for an audit or a recount! Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #40
it does NOT show voter intent. the paper you submitted might not be the one that ends up being diva77 Oct 2019 #41
Which is pretty much no different than ballot box stuffing with paper ballots. Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #43
It is waaay different -- the difference between changing a spreadsheet with an algorithm diva77 Oct 2019 #52
no the vote tampering happens in the counting software questionseverything Oct 2019 #57
I would prefer pure paper ballots hand counted that would take days and be a physical record of Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #60
any paper is better than no paper,that is true questionseverything Oct 2019 #62
No. If you see an error, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #44
I don't have link on hand, but a study found that vast majority do not check their votes diva77 Oct 2019 #47
And whose fault is that? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #50
Getting ballot at the end makes it difficult to check votes diva77 Oct 2019 #51
Don't be silly. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #53
trusting the software to count takes the check away from citizens questionseverything Oct 2019 #56
Out here in California, we're going to do something very similar. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #2
Getting the entire country to vote this way is probably a bit Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #7
Alas, probably. But maybe someday! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #10
Florida already uses optical scanners, but unfortunately there is no statewide Blue_true Oct 2019 #38
Some counties are further ahead than others California_Republic Oct 2019 #14
Looks good. Ours you have to fill out by hand and put in the scanner... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #3
Scanners are good and have been used for years lunatica Oct 2019 #8
Of course, faster than and and none of the error problems with hand counting... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #9
Scanners can be hacked csziggy Oct 2019 #11
That's why the paper ballots need to be kept. lunatica Oct 2019 #12
They need to be HAND-MARKED paper ballots!!! diva77 Oct 2019 #16
Yes, in the 2000 election, Ion Sancho put up images of all the questioned ballots csziggy Oct 2019 #21
paper ballots should be counted by hand openly and transparently questionseverything Oct 2019 #24
+1,000,000,000... fierywoman Oct 2019 #33
Hand-marked or machine-marked paper ballots (that the voter checks before getting the vote tallied, Blue_true Oct 2019 #42
From my experience I've come to the conclusion lunatica Oct 2019 #45
If we are going to permanently change things for the better, we need to Blue_true Oct 2019 #48
We recently got those in Elkhart County, Indiana bearsfootball516 Oct 2019 #4
Sorry you are misinformed. It is not fantastic at all. Please refer to post #15 diva77 Oct 2019 #17
Glad to hear about another tiny step in the INCREDIBLY SLOW march forward. nt LAS14 Oct 2019 #13
it is a leap BACKWARDS. Please see post #15 on this thread diva77 Oct 2019 #18
You like having a private corporation come between you & your vote? diva77 Oct 2019 #15
Not happy we have private companies making these machines Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #25
I don't see how you can conclude it's a step in the right direction if you read up on these diva77 Oct 2019 #26
I'll stand by what I said. Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #28
Unfortunately hackable EleanorR Oct 2019 #20
I'm glad I live in a small town. matt819 Oct 2019 #22
Will be using similar new machines in Georgia next year. Looks like folks got message after 2016. Hoyt Oct 2019 #23
I remember reading about Georgia politicians themselves Hortensis Oct 2019 #32
The solution to this problem is not to invest hundreds of millions in republican owned diva77 Oct 2019 #39
The paper backup ballot is useless lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #27
The paper is a backup. Liberal In Texas Oct 2019 #30
marginally so... lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #46
We still need paper ballots with Blockchain auditing... JCMach1 Oct 2019 #29
How hard would it be to program the machine to give the voter his choices in a printed form and fierywoman Oct 2019 #34
If that is the ES&S Express Vote machines, that is what they will have us use here in Philly BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #49
if it only prints out a bar code then it is worthless questionseverything Oct 2019 #55
I think the way they described it here BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #58
without hand counting it is a trust me system questionseverything Oct 2019 #61
So it's basically TheFarseer Oct 2019 #54
What we were told here in Philly is BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #59
It's an easy way to manufacture fake votes, since every paper is mechanically produced. hunter Oct 2019 #63
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