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fleur-de-lisa

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Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:36 PM Oct 2019

Why the Gaetz et al SCIF stunt is a VERY serious national security problem [View all]

Mieke Eoyang ✔ @MiekeEoyang, 10:47 AM - Oct 23, 2019

A few words on why Gaetz stunt to storm the SCIF to disrupt Laura Cooper's deposition is a VERY serious national security problem. Note, I worked in that SCIF for HPSCI and handled cybersecurity issues while there.

Aside from disrupting the testimony of a DoD official shedding light on the President's attempts to extort a sham investigation into the child of his most feared political rival by withholding military aid that Congress gave to resist a Russian invasion.

Storming the SCIF without respecting the security protocols that require people to leave their electronic devices *outside* the space, is actually compromising our national security.

First, the SCIF itself is a secure facility designed to prevent electronic eavesdropping so members of Congress can receive highly classified information about how the nation collects information on its adversaries, and on *very* sensitive intelligence operations.

Foreign adversaries are constantly trying to figure out what goes on inside those rooms to figure out what the US knows about them, to out US high-level sources in their governments, to know what the US government knows and use it against us.

The facilities are carefully designed and controlled to ensure that electronic signals, surveillance methods, or other listening devices do not compromise the information discussed in these rooms. I will not, for obvious reasons, go into details.

Bringing electronic devices into a SCIF, and this SCIF in particular is *very* problematic, especially when done by members of Congress. Because Members of Congress (and their electronic devices) are high-value targets for compromise by foreign intelligence services.

Members of Congress have access to a wide range of sensitive information, including, in the case of these members, conversations with the President of the United States. They travel internationally, receive emails from the public, and meet with foreign dignitaries.

As politicians, they're also highly sensitive to revelations of derogatory information, which means that foreign adversaries are very interested in collecting same.

They also tend to be lax in their security protocols. This means they may not know they have been compromised. For example, their phones can be turned into listening devices without their knowledge.

This is why outside HPSCI there is a security guard and a series of cabinets for people to leave (and lock) their electronic devices while they are inside the room. Failure to follow this protocol can violate the security of the entire SCIF.

After an incident like this happens, countermeasures have to be taken to ensure the SCIF is not compromised. It is a time-consuming, technical process, which again, I will not discuss.

But in "storming the SCIF" without observing the security protocols, Rep. Gaetz et al, endangered our national security & demonstrated they care more about a political stunt than protecting intelligence information. I cannot emphasize enough how serious this is.

To ensure that the information was secure, the members should give over their electronic devices for scanning to ensure no malware was on them, and that they have not compromised the SCIF. If they don't want to give them up, they should have checked them before entering.

So, to recap: To disrupt testimony from a DOD official on how the President endangered national security for both the US and Ukraine by withholding military aid, the President's allies further endangered national security by storming the SCIF with their electronic devices.


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This is total insanity. ramen Oct 2019 #1
Another day, another proof that Republicans will go to extraordinary lengths to protect the traitor. dalton99a Oct 2019 #2
Not only Trump atreides1 Oct 2019 #6
Nailed it! shanti Oct 2019 #22
when I first heard about this breach of security, I thought "wow, they must *actually* support Trump renate Oct 2019 #38
Meltdown expected... nt 2naSalit Oct 2019 #3
By the way, THESE IDIOTS JUST COMMITTED A FELONY! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2019 #4
Does it matter at this point? They'll scream "fake news". Initech Oct 2019 #44
Not being funny... Bayard Oct 2019 #5
That's what I'm wondering. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #12
Horrendous, unacceptable, the tactics of fascist thugs. RobertDevereaux Oct 2019 #7
It's been awhile - is there resolution of this situation? Backseat Driver Oct 2019 #8
There were reports on Twitter that one of the disruptors was FILMING. Qutzupalotl Oct 2019 #9
Video - this is probably taken by press but crickets Oct 2019 #19
. jberryhill Oct 2019 #29
the delay was the point Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #10
Yes. Trump is planning a big distraction and needs more time to pull it off. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #14
Did you see True Blue American Oct 2019 #30
Congressional hooligans. moondust Oct 2019 #11
These are all House members? apnu Oct 2019 #13
How do you suppose she punish them? Aside from censure tritsofme Oct 2019 #21
doesn't have to be deep apnu Oct 2019 #24
Revocation of security clearance should be a given NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #39
Start by taking away any committee assignments. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #43
The majority party does not choose committee assignments for minority members. tritsofme Oct 2019 #45
Thanks for the clarification. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #46
Pelosi MFM008 Oct 2019 #15
I'd say Republicans don't care about national security gratuitous Oct 2019 #16
If the situation had been reversed, with Repubs being "invaded" by Dems, RVN VET71 Oct 2019 #34
I hope Ms. Pelosi bdamomma Oct 2019 #17
I believe she is at a funeral today NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #40
Could be related bdamomma Oct 2019 #47
K&R demmiblue Oct 2019 #18
K&R crickets Oct 2019 #20
They should be reminded on the rules governing the secure location, together with the standards struggle4progress Oct 2019 #23
They should have been arrested and every damn phone confiscated Lars39 Oct 2019 #25
If they don't get charged with and found guilty of committing a felony, it won't matter. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #26
Can't they just lock the doors? Polly Hennessey Oct 2019 #27
The GOP thinks they are entitled to absolute power. Initech Oct 2019 #28
Use of deadly force SCVDem Oct 2019 #31
... demmiblue Oct 2019 #32
Trump conspired with House Republicans to obstruct impeachment hearings by storming secure room: rep srose58089 Oct 2019 #33
OMG. What an absolute criminal he is renate Oct 2019 #42
He looks good in orange: George II Oct 2019 #35
Too bad his college roommate isn't around to tell us his story. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #37
TRAITORS put themselves ahead of their country. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #36
Great info. Thanks! Pepsidog Oct 2019 #41
Lock him up. calimary Oct 2019 #48
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