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jmowreader

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144. I heard this before...
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:39 PM
Sep 2012

The subject that time was e-commerce, or whatever it was being called in 1998. Remember that e-commerce was supposed to close every store and everyone would just shop online. I was on ZDNet at the time and I described e-commerce as the new form of catalog shopping. Which it is, and mail order had been around for a bazillion years without killing the walk-in trade. What e-commerce HAS done, is cut back the catalog-printing industry; anyone setting up a mail-order firm today goes online without ever printing catalogs, and many catalog-printing companies have either reduced or eliminated their print catalogs.

I can see quite a few uses for 3d printers. Repair parts for obsolete things come very close to the top of the list...IIRC Jay Leno bought a 3d printer to make masters for old-car parts. The master goes to a job-work foundry who sends a metal piece back a week later. Things that would sell, but not well enough to afford to make tooling for them, can now be made.

I also heard the "industry will resist this thing that will destroy it" line many times before. Think back to the early days of e-commerce and small-scale manufacturing and the first thing the kiddies thought of was automaking: you would be able to go to a website, get a car made exactly the way you wanted it, and the car dealers would all close as a result. What actually happened in the interval was the day of the factory option came to an end. In the really old days you could go to a dealer and tell him (car dealers used to all be men) you wanted a car made a certain way, give him money and come back in six weeks after your car was made to order and shipped to your dealer. Now all cars are equipped identically, and any little options you might want are bolted on at the dealership. Good industrialists will always embrace the new; when autos replaced the horse-drawn carriage the smart buggy whip makers changed to making driving gloves and long coats. If 3d printing turns out to replace machining, well-run manufacturers will put 3d printers on the floor and dive in headfirst. But you will have to convince the factory owner that it is cheaper to print nails than to make them out of wire, or that printing cylinder heads uses less material than casting them does.

Some of the uses the author envisions for 3d printers are kinda weird. We already have a machine that will make a new shirt any time you need one; sewing machines have been in people's homes for centuries and work using proven technological means. We could print shoes...but ya know, they're gonna look like Crocs and those are butt ugly.

And no, the "average person" will NOT be able to make new products; you will still need to be able to envision and design a new thing, and most of us can't do that.

There are things the 3d printer is going to be great for. There are things it will be awful for, but those are the things it will be used for.

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Got one... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
These 3-D printers sound as though they work like replicators in the Star Trek universe. TheDebbieDee Sep 2012 #39
beam me up TeamPooka Sep 2012 #40
I met a guy that built a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #42
Somebody's smoking crack. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #2
Of whom do you speak? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #19
Not you. Any tech geeks or product promoters who think kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #76
not true. It is happening. If you would wish that "printable" organs were Flaxbee Sep 2012 #85
I'll starve to death before I'll ever eat any substance "printed" by a machine. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #115
I am sooo right there with you Marrah_G Sep 2012 #116
But would you accept a "printed" heart in a transplant? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #121
I am a veterinarian with a degree in microbiology. I consider kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #131
that's why I recognized you! Flaxbee Sep 2012 #135
Did you watch the video? Politicalboi Sep 2012 #94
Wait a few years and see. sofa king Sep 2012 #100
+1. Plastics! FSogol Sep 2012 #143
Nope. Just expensive toys. dawg Sep 2012 #3
They will be so much more than that. Do a little more reading on the subject. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #11
I don't need to. dawg Sep 2012 #16
This isn't just for your desktop, this is the entire manufacturing industry. It's ADDITIVE Flaxbee Sep 2012 #20
Well, that still falls far short of changing the nature of work for everyone. dawg Sep 2012 #27
But globally - think of all the manufacturing jobs in Asia that will vanish Flaxbee Sep 2012 #55
You're not thinking of all the different materials everyone would have to have dawg Sep 2012 #58
I know. I work in technology, too, and have seen many Flaxbee Sep 2012 #66
you're thinking about it all wrong. uncle ray Sep 2012 #141
No, that is exactly how I'm thinking of it. dawg Sep 2012 #145
LOL.....I think you are very short sighted...... Logical Sep 2012 #106
Houseprinting. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #18
I think this is such Flaxbee Sep 2012 #68
Maybe some day BlueStreak Sep 2012 #41
You are so wrong nichomachus Sep 2012 #52
Wait and see. dawg Sep 2012 #53
I've seen -- you just wait nichomachus Sep 2012 #57
Tablets are okay ... dawg Sep 2012 #59
Well, I'm sure industry will change it's mind nichomachus Sep 2012 #62
I have a pretty good track record with these things. dawg Sep 2012 #72
So Wrong kysrsoze Sep 2012 #101
I said they have niche uses. dawg Sep 2012 #109
People once said the same thing about cars, planes, TV, computers, etc Hugabear Sep 2012 #103
+1000, so true. Closed minded people were left behind. Logical Sep 2012 #108
for some of this, the question is, what's the "ink"? unblock Sep 2012 #4
No, you don't buy the ink Biafran Sep 2012 #13
Please don't be so close-minded Flaxbee Sep 2012 #30
read this article (link inside), from The Economist Flaxbee Sep 2012 #23
soylent green is people, my friend. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #36
no... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #46
that's what they *tell* us.... HiPointDem Sep 2012 #49
I just checked a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #50
There's different media depending on the machine Posteritatis Sep 2012 #37
Absolutely - the food examples are just in their infancy Flaxbee Sep 2012 #56
ticker u want is DDD yodermon Sep 2012 #5
I'm not sure the Motley Fool has ever been right about ANYTHING BlueStreak Sep 2012 #43
Boy the world is really leaving me behind aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #6
Wow. dawg Sep 2012 #8
not a bad future at all, a cabin with books and a guitar. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #29
But I don't want a printed guitar. dawg Sep 2012 #47
Just for you, from The Guardian: How 3D printing is revolutionising guitar-making Flaxbee Sep 2012 #107
Another '49er here, and ITA! WinkyDink Sep 2012 #31
You can print that cabin, guitar, and books, dontm you know? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #44
Credence Clearwater Revival's "Lookin' Out My Back Door" comes to mind: coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #45
Tea, Earl Grey, hot.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #7
I have that. dawg Sep 2012 #9
That's what I was thinking. BattyDem Sep 2012 #12
Neither, it's a fairly well done Space Opera.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #15
Much of science fiction is a blueprint. Look at Arthur C. Clarke conceiving Flaxbee Sep 2012 #24
It better not be a blue print Generic Brad Sep 2012 #83
lol. well, maybe not *all* of it Flaxbee Sep 2012 #92
But wouldn't transporters and holodecks make it all worth it? BattyDem Sep 2012 #149
yeah justabob Sep 2012 #33
It's a very early version of a Star Trek "replicator" BattyDem Sep 2012 #10
Did anyone else the the animation video of a 3D printer building a 2000sf house? sadbear Sep 2012 #14
I will say this, though. dawg Sep 2012 #17
If we can get there more or less intact, the future's gonna be kind of cool. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #21
Won't it, though? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #26
It has to or we won't make it. People will either lose the 19th century ideas and come to grips with Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #140
How does it work? Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2012 #22
check upthread; and here's the link from The Economist Flaxbee Sep 2012 #25
Well that sorta answers it. Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2012 #38
I don't know about the "ingredients" Flaxbee Sep 2012 #63
not quite true... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #128
Will they be able to print guns and ammunition or even tanks and planes? What's Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #28
Guns - yes. They already have printed the lower receiver of a AR style rifle (the lower receiver kelly1mm Sep 2012 #51
Let me guess... regnaD kciN Sep 2012 #32
Share and enjoy" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #80
My girlfriend uses one of these at work for chassis prototying Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2012 #34
But see - it probably will one day (soon) be cost-effective Flaxbee Sep 2012 #60
economies of scale Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2012 #65
But these things you mention were at one time prohibitive Flaxbee Sep 2012 #73
This will set a standard for collectors.... Taverner Sep 2012 #35
3D-printed guns -..__... Sep 2012 #48
Zoo toys? FredStembottom Sep 2012 #54
Right not it is pretty basic Flaxbee Sep 2012 #67
Gotch ya. FredStembottom Sep 2012 #82
3D organs... hearts, livers, kidneys - no more transplant donors needed, no rejection issues True Earthling Sep 2012 #61
That's where I see real-world applications. randome Sep 2012 #64
Me too. I think it will be a long time before these things come home and make things for us. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #70
I posted this elsewhere a couple of years ago. Go Vols Sep 2012 #69
I have seen many more references to 3D printing / additive manufacturing lately Flaxbee Sep 2012 #75
Has anyone mentioned The Diamond Age in this thread yet? Matariki Sep 2012 #71
The Neal Stephenson book? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #102
Yep. Everyone had nanotechnology machines Matariki Sep 2012 #148
It looks like too much work. I don't think I'll be buying one. reformist2 Sep 2012 #74
Wait 5-10 years Flaxbee Sep 2012 #77
I may change my mind.... I am a late adopter. I just bought my first laptop this year! reformist2 Sep 2012 #78
Some years ago someone wrote a science fiction story SheilaT Sep 2012 #79
Nonindustrial, at-home injection molding machines will work for plastics, films, and pastes. They leveymg Sep 2012 #81
Arthur C. Clarke was a family friend Flaxbee Sep 2012 #88
He seems like he would've been a great guy to have a cup of hot cocao with as a 9 year old. leveymg Sep 2012 #99
He and my husband worked together for about a decade near the end Flaxbee Sep 2012 #123
he was a family friend? I'M FUCKING JEALOUS!!! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #119
My husband worked with him Flaxbee Sep 2012 #125
Meh PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #84
But that's NOW. What about in 5, 10, 15 or 50 years from now? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #86
You cannot create a living house on a 3-D printer. I call bullshit. Initech Sep 2012 #87
Don't call bullshit too quickly. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #90
It's not the technology I'm discouraging. Initech Sep 2012 #97
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA!!!! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #89
Exactly. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #91
you know... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95
How environmentally sound is this? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #93
Compared to not manufacturing anything at all, ever? If that's what you mean: Not very, I'd suspect. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #96
Actually, additive manufacturing marks a HUGE environmental benefit Flaxbee Sep 2012 #104
What is being used to bind the sawdust? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #124
Well, if I can no longer purcahse household items made of metal or wood... if nearly everything Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #111
There have been several forms of cornstarch based compostable plastic developed in recent years nt Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #122
No - items can be made of metal and wood. Powders with binding agents. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #127
What are the powders composed of? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #130
Metal, and wood powders Flaxbee Sep 2012 #137
The GOP should have used one ashling Sep 2012 #98
Indeed Flaxbee Sep 2012 #105
These rapid-prototype machines will never truly replace manufacturing jobs derby378 Sep 2012 #110
Robots have already replaced manufacturing jobs. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #112
Let's not blame the robots. They are also going to be 3d printed. Really... KapCarl Sep 2012 #150
Does it print money? undeterred Sep 2012 #113
You'll probably need a really good litho machine capable of inserting flexible plastic into paper derby378 Sep 2012 #114
But there would be so many people doing it undeterred Sep 2012 #118
Even better, it prints Romneys Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #133
Better get those printer drivers well debugged IDemo Sep 2012 #117
This is gonna change everything. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #120
I know. I hope for the better. Isn't it exciting? Flaxbee Sep 2012 #126
Things like this are what keep me optimistic about the future. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #129
3d printing is already disrupting our manufacturing process KapCarl Sep 2012 #132
Hi, KapCarl! First, welcome to DU! Flaxbee Sep 2012 #139
I'll tell you one thing. When 3D printers start to print more 3D printers Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #134
lol. Flaxbee Sep 2012 #138
If they can make the Summer Glau model Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #142
The Luddites' Video Response to Your Post Yavin4 Sep 2012 #136
I heard this before... jmowreader Sep 2012 #144
The printers will be cheap, but the cartridges will cost a mint! hedgehog Sep 2012 #146
MORE than the original printer, if you can believe it! Flaxbee Sep 2012 #147
3D printing alread is changing the world charto911 Sep 2012 #151
Just wait until people start printing their own guns at home... MicaelS Sep 2012 #152
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