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MineralMan

(151,079 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:58 PM Nov 2019

It's quite likely that the Senate will not remove Trump. [View all]

However, the process of Impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate will still serve to publicize Trump's behavior, with massive public exposure of that behavior to the voters.

That is its true value. If that exposure leads to Trump failing in his re-election attempt, then it will have the same result as if he were removed from office by the Senate. Either way, he will no longer be President.

It is very likely that the Republicans in the Senate will hang together in voting against removal. But, they will have to do that publicly. They will have to add their names to the list of those who refuse to see justice done. That may well be enough to swing the Senate to a Democratic majority, which is a powerful goal. The Republicans will hang together, in more than one sense of that word.

If, following the 2020 General Election we have a Democratic President and Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress, we will have turned Donald Trump and the Republicans out of office and out of control. That is a goal we should all strive to achieve.

Impeachment in the House and the trial in the Senate will expose Donald J. Trump and his behavior to public scrutiny, and in a way that cannot be achieved in any other way.

Our goal should be to help the public view and understand what is happening, throughout that process.

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And we need a strong conclusion: trump is not a patriot, he puts Putin's Ilsa Nov 2019 #1
The Blue wave is like the energizer bunny. pwb Nov 2019 #2
First step: Reinstate every executive order that Trump has canceled. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2019 #39
Senators will be remembered in history for their vote aeromanKC Nov 2019 #3
Yes, they will. MineralMan Nov 2019 #4
"Republicans in the Senate will hang together in voting against removal." lastlib Nov 2019 #14
we need all dems, ind's, and 19 or 20 repugs..... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #28
No. We will not hunt human beings. AllyCat Nov 2019 #33
Who said they were human beings? erronis Nov 2019 #41
Not just remembered in history, but remembered in the next election, like MineralMan has said. EarnestPutz Nov 2019 #30
That means they will have problems in 2022 and 2024 also when Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #44
+1000 aeromanKC Nov 2019 #48
That would be AWESOME!!! Impeaching some of those rightwing judges would be the best thing Scotch-Irish Nov 2019 #62
I'm beginning to think there is only one solution to this problem. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #5
I agree with you. Buckeyeblue Nov 2019 #17
I'm hoping for a natural solution..... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #31
Yes, that is what I am hoping for as well. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #35
Assuming nothing happens between now and then... kentuck Nov 2019 #6
I don't think there is any crime edhopper Nov 2019 #7
There might be one or two crimes that could actualy do it. Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2019 #46
He raped a 13 year old edhopper Nov 2019 #47
I was aware of that case, but I meant more like being caught in the act. Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2019 #49
I wonder if edhopper Nov 2019 #50
Well, we're talking about spineless, reprehensible enablers. Dagstead Bumwood Nov 2019 #52
They'd say it was Biblical and that the kid had it coming, especially if the kid isn't white. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #59
We better overwhelm the voting booths with Democrats and Anti Trumpers next November dustyscamp Nov 2019 #8
Wrong we need to remove him - not play games. Joe941 Nov 2019 #9
That would be great! Now, how to get 2/3 of the Senate MineralMan Nov 2019 #11
Republican Senators seem to have forgotten that their oath is to defend Arkansas Granny Nov 2019 #10
That's clearly true. MineralMan Nov 2019 #12
Every GOP Sen that sides with Trump needs to be tattooed with that fact. Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #58
'It is quite likely that the Senate will not remove Trump' . . . empedocles Nov 2019 #13
They will not but... lame54 Nov 2019 #15
The Senate may not remove tRUMP but if it happens that way we can sure make them wish abqtommy Nov 2019 #16
Yup. We'll hang that albatross around their necks until it rots off, stinking. MineralMan Nov 2019 #18
Then they must be forced to regret it. Warren_Pointe Nov 2019 #19
It's not likely but it could happen Buckeyeblue Nov 2019 #20
If it seems like the Senate will convict, I'm sure Moscow Mitch will try to convince him to resign. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #60
Although I agree with you, I also think there's a shred of a chance they will. Vinca Nov 2019 #21
I'd be ecstatic about that outcome. MineralMan Nov 2019 #22
You're probably right but it's not a certainty StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #23
The integrity to stand for justice orangecrush Nov 2019 #24
there is no way the fascists will vote to remove tRump yaesu Nov 2019 #25
Unless Hannity gives Trump up on national TV, I don't see it happening. flying_wahini Nov 2019 #26
Many of us like the impeachment hearings for exactly that reason. PatrickforO Nov 2019 #27
And that will be to our advantage, frankly, in the next election. Imagine if he were removed, Chemisse Nov 2019 #29
Que sera, sera struggle4progress Nov 2019 #32
Either Way, It's a Winning Situation panfluteman Nov 2019 #34
That is the current, general wisdom. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #36
Much too soon to jump to conclusions. Pelosi swung support for impeachment in one month. She can Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #37
+! struggle4progress Nov 2019 #54
I disagree Smackdown2019 Nov 2019 #38
Democrats need to get their message out there now and pound it every time they speak Hulk Nov 2019 #40
Audio of Trump swearing allegiance to Lord Vladimir in exchange for Putin not releasing kompromat... Garrett78 Nov 2019 #42
Can the Senate vote on Conviction by a Secret Ballot? MarcA Nov 2019 #43
Good question Smackdown2019 Nov 2019 #56
Of course the republicans won't remove him. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #45
What the Senators do depends on what their constituents think. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #51
We already have the smoking gun and Republicans don't give a shit. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #57
public hearings have not yet begun Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #61
No, but I think we're already fairly close to the ceiling in terms of support for removal. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #63
I agree. underpants Nov 2019 #53
Right. We must defeat him otherwise he will effectively be a dictator who can do... brush Nov 2019 #55
Republicans in the Senate will hang together Martin Eden Nov 2019 #64
+100 MineralMan Nov 2019 #65
****EXCEPT THERE IS NO 2020 ELECTION WITH TRUMP !!! **** uponit7771 Nov 2019 #66
I guess we're doomed, then. No use voting at all... MineralMan Nov 2019 #67
No, we're not. Get our pols not to certify any electoral win. There's no way Trump should be able.. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #68
Once again, you're calling for something for which there is no legal mechanism. MineralMan Nov 2019 #69
You are my spirit animal StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #71
Massive turnout doesn't defeat vote adding, shifting, VSM and a lack of auditing and logging which uponit7771 Nov 2019 #73
Actually, yes, it does. Trump won because of less than 100,000 votes in three MineralMan Nov 2019 #75
We should turn out in historic numbers and expect Trump to cheat. Both can be true and if Trump uponit7771 Nov 2019 #79
True words here bluestarone Nov 2019 #70
"All they have to do is hold another FAKE investigation" ... THIS !!! Why are why are people going uponit7771 Nov 2019 #74
The tail end of the 2016 election focused on Trump's behavior... brooklynite Nov 2019 #72
The open hearings will help Turbineguy Nov 2019 #76
Yes, I agree. They will expose what has happened to an ever-growing MineralMan Nov 2019 #77
It's what the Watergate hearings did too. Turbineguy Nov 2019 #78
You can count on it. Your assessment I believe is also correct, this is about making the case to th still_one Nov 2019 #80
That's the most likely thing to happen, I agree. MineralMan Nov 2019 #81
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