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StarfishSaver

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56. Please stop

Reply to OliverQ (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:51 PM

Nov 2019

You don't know the law and you're just spreading misinformation.

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Arrest those damn WH officials refusing to obey subpoenas! This is utter nonsense and craziness to [View all] triron Nov 2019 OP

I agree. How do you uphold the law if there's no consequences to obstructing justice. dem4decades Nov 2019 #1

What would be the legal reason for a Govt. employee to be jailed w/out due process? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #20

If you fail to show up after a court subpoena, are there consequences? dem4decades Nov 2019 #31

Depends....do you fight it....say a higher Court sides with you. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #37

Exactly! And will never forget what a repuke said Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #69

Schiff has stated that he is not going to go to court to enforce the subpoenas, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #2

That's sort of like saying, Igel Nov 2019 #3

If I were a WH official (thank god I'm not) I would jump at that deal. triron Nov 2019 #4

He doesn't need to go to court. They have inherent contempt powers. OliverQ Nov 2019 #7

I'm not going to play Monday morning quarterback over Schiff's decision. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #10

Try that...go to a court.....by the time that ran the Court process AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #14

Not sure what you're referring to. OliverQ Nov 2019 #17

And the minute the Sergeant at Arms is ordered to arrest someone, they would get a court injunction StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #22

No they won't. OliverQ Nov 2019 #39

As I told you elsewhere, this just isn't true StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #43

Inherent Contempt is a Congressional power OliverQ Nov 2019 #49

Please stop StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #56

Yes, I do know the law. OliverQ Nov 2019 #58

No, actually you don't StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #62

No, they're not laughable. OliverQ Nov 2019 #64

Like you don't give up under extreme flaming OQ! Bravo Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #89

A petition for habeas corpus will be filed the moment someone is taken into custody onenote Nov 2019 #77

It probably would never even get to that point. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #81

historically, the response to inherent contempt arrests has been a petition for habeas corpus not onenote Nov 2019 #83

I know that's what's been done historically. But look who we're talking about StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #84

Not sure if I'm correct, dware Nov 2019 #24

No actually it doesn't.......it's Never been adjudicated...it's vuage at best AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #25

No, it's not stupid. OliverQ Nov 2019 #38

If it's not stupid...why hasn't it been done? If it's smart to do, why not yet? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #42

Remember back when people demanded inherent contempt arrests StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #47

I remember....I laughed at it then as I do now. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #51

Remember when some people were against impeachment? Funny how they are the same Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #54

That's just wrong jberryhill Nov 2019 #86

I am not making up anything, JB. There was an orchestrated Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #87

Yes, I was here, I'm aware jberryhill Nov 2019 #91

And that is exactly what DU is about to me. Nothing Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #92

It hasn't been done, because it's time consuming OliverQ Nov 2019 #50

Adam Schiff is a Harvard graduated Lawyer....do you know more than him? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #53

"Courts don't have authority to issue injunctions" StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #45

Actually they do....and will if it's tried...and will again be A SCOTUS case. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #46

Challenged on what grounds? OliverQ Nov 2019 #52

Nothing in your post is accurate. You really need to stop. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #57

I'm not misleading people at all. OliverQ Nov 2019 #60

That's delusional....." Has the Supreme Court ever told Congress it's not allowed to conduct.." AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #59

Really? Because Rep. Ted Lieu has also called for the use of Inherent Contempt OliverQ Nov 2019 #61

Ted Lieu chairs which committee with impeachment powers exactly? You must have 1? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #71

Congress can find someone in contempt ripcord Nov 2019 #48

The US Marshalls Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #55

The US Marshals are under the control of the DoJ. OliverQ Nov 2019 #63

Well, Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #65

Not sure what she's referring to. OliverQ Nov 2019 #66

Not really. The marshals are part of DOJ but they report to the federal judges StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #67

Well seeing as McConnell has stacked the judiciary with over 150 OliverQ Nov 2019 #70

AG Holder was voted by the House in contempt..17 House Democrats AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #76

The minute they try to use their inherent contempt powers, they'll be in court StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #18

The Supreme Court has already ruled Congress has the authority to do this. OliverQ Nov 2019 #40

That's not how the law works StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #41

And then what? StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #5

i don't see a down side to this. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #6

Of course there isn't. Even if it goes nowhere at least Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #68

What authority allows those arrests? Can you site it? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #8

And what is the intended outcome? StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #9

Got me.... I've seen similar posts for a few days...(months actually) AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #13

And even if there WERE a House jail and the House ordered the Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #15

That was my larger point...no one is going to be jailed. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #16

I notice most of those posts are coming from people who trashed Pelosi, said she'd never impeach StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #23

Now that you mention it....I do see some familiarity...damn. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #27

Or, it could be just a bizarre coincidence StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #29

Yeah...umm..no AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #35

What's the statute of limitations on contempt or obstruction? C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #11

Five years for most federal crimes except for bank fraud (10 years). The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #12

I hope bdamomma Nov 2019 #19

Exactly. Without enforcement, the law may as well not exist. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #21

We were all fine with Lerner and Holder ignoring Congressional subpoenas and being held in contempt ripcord Nov 2019 #26

17 Democrats voted to hold AG Holder in contempt..255-67 AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #30

One question. Can I, as an average American citizen, ignore or Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #28

The answer depends on who issued the subpoena and under what circumstances StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #32

Thank you for the detailed answer. nt Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #34

Yes you can. The consequences would depend on how far you.. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #33

Yes jberryhill Nov 2019 #78

Thank you Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #85

Contempt of Congress. democratisphere Nov 2019 #36

AG Holder was voted in Contept...with 17 of us(House Democrats) voting yes... AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #72

All rethuglicons belong in jail. democratisphere Nov 2019 #74

Hoyer: Democrats not using inherent contempt Celerity Nov 2019 #44

I agree. If any of us got a subpoena and just ignored it we'd be hauled into court. Vinca Nov 2019 #75

No, we wouldn't necessarily StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #82

im more for fines. If we arrest them you know damned good n well they will..... samnsara Nov 2019 #79

I totally agree! If they aren't arrested, that sets a precedent. NT raccoon Nov 2019 #80

I agree! trump's accomplices MUST be held accountable to deter this type ecstatic Nov 2019 #88

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #90