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53. pederasty was considered normal

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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:07 PM

Nov 2019

and not as abusive. the older man was expected to teach the younger and to facilitate his entrance to adult society.

the relationship would have been so commonplace in the Hellenistic world (which would have included 1st century Jerusalem) that I am surprised the new testament mentions it at all.

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Has "Homosexual" always been in the Bible? [View all] TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 OP

Very interesting Cartoonist Nov 2019 #1

That's how Republicans continue to fear-monger about LGBT. "Dangers to children+families" NCLefty Nov 2019 #2

That doesn't make it any better. Mariana Nov 2019 #19

You won't find "arsenokoitai" in Leviticus markpkessinger Nov 2019 #23

That is true, but Mr. Oxford makes a similar argument about those: Mariana Nov 2019 #26

It reflects on Absurd Leviticus' credibility Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #33

If nothing else, Mr. Oxford has made a very strong case Mariana Nov 2019 #34

A question irisblue Nov 2019 #3

I suspect Ed Oxford is engaging in some wishful thinking. Mariana Nov 2019 #22

Does anyone care? cwydro Nov 2019 #4

Seeing as The Torah is the OliverQ Nov 2019 #9

It's important to know that the sky man who will be casting unbelievers into the lake of fire jberryhill Nov 2019 #11

Lol! cwydro Nov 2019 #29

The term didn't exist until 1868 FreeState Nov 2019 #5

The action is described in Leviticus. though. Mariana Nov 2019 #20

Yes, but Leviticus says a lot of things are forbidden . . . markpkessinger Nov 2019 #24

Every Christian picks and chooses Mariana Nov 2019 #25

Every Christian? phylny Nov 2019 #69

Yes. Mariana Nov 2019 #70

I'm confused - explanation needed please... tavernier Nov 2019 #28

No, but a cotton/acryllic sweater would be! ;) n/t markpkessinger Nov 2019 #61

In earlier versions of the Bible, many women were deacons bdjhawk Nov 2019 #6

Do you have a reference for that? OliverQ Nov 2019 #8

Since King James I only funded the translation defacto7 Nov 2019 #14

On the contrary, he funded the new translation TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #46

Interesting. Thanks. I only have some limited knowledge defacto7 Nov 2019 #50

Nope. Right-wing conservatives have butchered the Bible OliverQ Nov 2019 #7

So the writer at the link is wrong? Mariana Nov 2019 #21

Did you read/see this? irisblue Nov 2019 #10

The part about the talking snake is still the same, right? jberryhill Nov 2019 #12

If you mean the one selling pomegranates ProudLib72 Nov 2019 #60

Well, thank goodness it's not homophobic jberryhill Nov 2019 #64

Thank you! The new testament doesn't directly address homosexuality, so I can't see that Karadeniz Nov 2019 #13

Jesus meets a woman at a well jberryhill Nov 2019 #51

See, Maru Kitteh Nov 2019 #65

He was pretty nasty to the Canaanite woman, too Mariana Nov 2019 #71

Then he cast demons into some guy's pigs... jberryhill Nov 2019 #74

After he killed all those pigs Mariana Nov 2019 #76

Ah, but... jberryhill Nov 2019 #77

You do have a point. This would have been a Gentile village. Mariana Nov 2019 #79

The Bible has been rewritten many times to be politically/culturally correct for the times. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #15

I understand that TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #16

The whole belief is goofy.😜 SammyWinstonJack Nov 2019 #17

The same people that think that the bible is the literal word of God also overwhelmingly Blue_true Nov 2019 #41

And many of our founding fathers were deists TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #43

You are correct that the US was not founded on Christianity, but . . . markpkessinger Nov 2019 #62

Thinking it is the figurative word of God is pretty goofy too jberryhill Nov 2019 #59

I like the Epicurus quote about god TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #63

Every single English translation of the Bible is wrong? Mariana Nov 2019 #18

Most contemporary Bibles are translations of translations TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #31

Yes. Midnight Writer Nov 2019 #36

Do those early "editions" back up Mr. Oxford's assertions? nt. Mariana Nov 2019 #38

I don't know. I have never seen this particular issue addressed. Midnight Writer Nov 2019 #40

He's gone as far back as the German translation used by Martin Luther TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #48

Does that version say the victims are equally guilty Mariana Nov 2019 #49

He doesn't discuss that in the article n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #54

Passages in the bible were done to control people or deal with issues of the times. Blue_true Nov 2019 #42

I suppose I'm the only schoolboy in here today snickering at the word "arsenokoitai" Ron Obvious Nov 2019 #27

Kind of like "innuendo" TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #30

K & R Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #32

WAIT!! PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #35

Well, only about 30% of Christians in the US are "literalists" TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #37

And 30% of Christians in the US will vote for Trump. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2019 #39

A man who has violated every single one of the literal Ten Commandments several times. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #44

And offers no "sincere apology" with crocodilian tears. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2019 #45

The translation of the bible played a big role in my spiritual evolution. NNadir Nov 2019 #47

Nice story. It takes me back a few decades. defacto7 Nov 2019 #55

I love theses threads...they always make me laugh. Xolodno Nov 2019 #52

My guess is that whatever women did amongst themselve Mariana Nov 2019 #72

pederasty was considered normal rampartc Nov 2019 #53

For Christians cyclonefence Nov 2019 #56

Not mention, supposedly, Jesus died for EVERYONE'S sins TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #57

Which is why you should trust me jberryhill Nov 2019 #66

Me too cyclonefence Nov 2019 #68

Jesus endorsed the Old Testament jberryhill Nov 2019 #58

I do not question that Jesus was an observant Jew cyclonefence Nov 2019 #67

. jberryhill Nov 2019 #75

Biblically-endorsed schadenfraude cyclonefence Nov 2019 #80

Jesus said yes, during the Sermon on the Mount. Mariana Nov 2019 #73

All I remember is cyclonefence Nov 2019 #81

Jesus contradicted himself quite a bit, according to the gospels. Mariana Nov 2019 #82

Ask what is says in the Torah. greymattermom Nov 2019 #78

Bible scholars read Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #83