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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
61. Your comments have nothing to do with mine
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:39 PM
Nov 2019

My point is that nothing in her excerpt related to the original sourced article which reported that

A) there was no systemic failure of touch screen voting, it had nothing to do with the actual voting process.

B) they experienced a temporary problem in the pre voting process of uploading voter data so that the correct data from the voter's ID would pull up the correct jurisdictional ballot for the machine. As only a few machines were effected and those machines were corrected within a few minutes it almost certainly was the result of a corrective soft ware patch that wasn't uploaded properly.

C) the most egregious omission is that this contract was part of a process that we all want done, creating paper ballots and a paper trail. This was an important second test (the first one done on a more limited roll out yielded zero problems) of a new process that will produce a paper ballot and paper trail.

I was suspicious that there would be a) such a quick diagnosis of a problem and b) that there would be identical problems in both Georgia and PA.

When I read the detailed report in the AJC article it was clear that the facts in the local paper were not being reflected in Bradblog report or the OP.

The allegations simply were not true.

It isn't just a "boy cries wolf" scenario, which would be bad enough on such a serious subject as it will undermine people's interest because they will have found that earlier similar reports were untrue, but it is especially reckless to make accusations about election results being the result of a "failed system" when the Democrats way out performed expectations. Breitbart and the GOP in Kentucky would love to report about massive systemic failures and the Democrats didn't really win because of "system failures" in the voting machines, which the local article didn't indicate.

I will match your condescending "your are bright enough" with this "you are bright enough to not just take the OP at face level and click to the article quoted and click through the "interpretation" to read the original source material which paints a completely different than that in Bradblog or the OP.

I think that it is such an important issue that Democratic discussions of it should be accurate and clear, that we should not read local news reports with a preconceived conclusion in mind and then distort the facts to fit what we think, that is what Fundamentalists do when they read the Bible and what Republicans do when they try to cook up allegations of wide spread voter fraud. The methodology is shameful regardless who does it and creates an emerging cloud of Nihilism that tries to paint everything as part of a compromised system that is beyond hope, which in this case is particularly ironic because the good people of Georgia appear to be preparing for a complete paper ballot system by the Presidential Primaries. When put in context the AJC article was a positive article about the election system there taking a major step forward. Nihilism is Trump's religion. His aim is to paint everything as having questionable facts, limitless interpretations, relative moral ambiguity and all of the normal systems need to be handled by a strong man. There is nothing in the AJC that suggests that a single vote was incorrectly made or reported. That is not a "failure". Trying to publish that it is a failure is nothing more than a lazy epistemology with an attempt to twist facts to support a predetermined conclusion, classic Nihilistic nonsense.

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We had a choice True Blue American Nov 2019 #1
would be interested to know which county & state offered this choice diva77 Nov 2019 #2
Montgomery County, Ohio True Blue American Nov 2019 #13
Was the ballot generated by the machine? or were you handed a paper ballot that you hand marked? diva77 Nov 2019 #41
Handed a ballot True Blue American Nov 2019 #42
That's the system here in Broome County NY. rickford66 Nov 2019 #8
That's what we use in my deep blue county in N.C. yardwork Nov 2019 #10
The title is very misleading. There was no "failure" grantcart Nov 2019 #11
of course there is no proof that any reported votes were correctly reported questionseverything Nov 2019 #35
that's not the point. The point is that the article on which this blog is based recorded grantcart Nov 2019 #37
Election integrity is a nonpartisan issue. The machines are nontransparent regardless diva77 Nov 2019 #38
Facts are a non partisan issue. Wild inaccurate exageration undermines people's interest grantcart Nov 2019 #48
a paper ballot, hand marked would not cause a voter to have to wait longer, or switch booths to vote diva77 Nov 2019 #49
"I am done with this exchange" stopdiggin Nov 2019 #51
the truth is no human being can verify that software is doing what we are told it is doing questionseverything Nov 2019 #60
Your comments have nothing to do with mine grantcart Nov 2019 #61
that is a long winded way to say my comments are correct questionseverything Nov 2019 #62
when the vote counting process is not open and transparent it is just a trust me system questionseverything Nov 2019 #44
Drivers license True Blue American Nov 2019 #43
Paper trail MUST be provided. James48 Nov 2019 #3
Absolutely. Election security is not an issue only for those who cheat. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #5
I have been doing that for 15 years in Pa. gab13by13 Nov 2019 #7
Allowing you to take proof of who you voted for from the voting place Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #12
And those problems exist for absentee ballots exboyfil Nov 2019 #26
Correct - but the benefit of allowing people who are unable to get to the polls Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #34
Paper trails are scanned True Blue American Nov 2019 #14
DITTO Snoopy 7 Nov 2019 #4
The ES&S machines here in Philly were confusing for many elderly BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #6
No scanner? True Blue American Nov 2019 #15
I'm assuming the ballots are removed from the machines once voting is completed BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #18
a scanner is another way to hide real ballots from real people Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #39
I agree BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #40
exactly scanners can be programmed to give incorrect results just like touchscreens questionseverything Nov 2019 #45
No you don't DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #16
You are conflating "human error" (in reading/transcription), which can be rectified by others BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #19
Well, my point is, it would be very easy to add (or subtract) DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #24
Well I know the lever machines were monstrosities BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #27
Agree, it's more complicated DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #30
LOL!!!!! BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #31
Didn't you guys get to test run them at various DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #25
They had minimally-advertised "demos" at various locations around the city BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #29
When I first True Blue American Nov 2019 #22
BTW, the voting bill Gov Wolf just signed DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #17
I posted that in the PA forum yesterday! BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #9
Let me guess, these issues disproportionately harmed Democrats? Garrett78 Nov 2019 #21
*pretends to be shocked* Initech Nov 2019 #23
One thing we have to do is stop having some much exboyfil Nov 2019 #28
so you want to have separate ballots? stopdiggin Nov 2019 #52
I wonder if these are the ones Ivanka is involved with?🙄 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #32
I voted on one of those new and not-so-improved machines meow2u3 Nov 2019 #33
the races should all be hand counted in transparent full public view questionseverything Nov 2019 #36
Maybe that worked in 1872. There are just too many people voting in modern times. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #47
there are still hand counted communities/sort and stack goes quickly questionseverything Nov 2019 #50
you have federal, state and local offices stopdiggin Nov 2019 #53
I am lucky enough to live in a county where local issues and races are not voted on Blue_true Nov 2019 #58
is why i said , count the federal offices by hand questionseverything Nov 2019 #59
Most new systems have bugs, some major bugs. Blue_true Nov 2019 #46
Call me simple but we have been using a potential device for years. Plop an eye scanner on it, Hearthrob Nov 2019 #56
Sorry, I am not as conspiratorial about some things that just happen in life. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #57
My polling place is a catholic church, yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2019 #54
Corruption rockfordfile Nov 2019 #55
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