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Showing Original Post only (View all)Republican: You Can't Impeach Trump for a Crime He Does 'All the Time' [View all]
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/republican-thornberry-impeachment-ukraine-trump-he-does-this-all-the-time.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR1q2UaIAfCMiqpA1opa_GroJk_I7MAAfZ_6BOjrxCifyJPofVOV6SL38ng&fbclid=IwAR3KTbpg8nhNyRTCiNawbz6nzZQ8VYZuJn-PP86CEyvFl34rxi9xKPv-I2gthe national interest 9:29 A.M.
Republican: You Cant Impeach Trump for a Crime He Does All the Time
By Jonathan Chait
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Even more amazingly, Thornberry proceeded to argue that Trumps phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is not impeachable because there is also so much other public evidence:
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Theres not anything that the president said in that phone call thats different than he says in public all the time. So, is there some sort of abuse of power that rises to that threshold that is different than the American people have been hearing for three years? I dont hear that.
Lets back up. One of the key Republican messaging points throughout this scandal has been to pretend that Trumps phone call with Zelensky is the only piece of evidence against him. In fact, as has been obvious from the outset, the call is merely one small element of a monthslong campaign to leverage Ukraines desire for a meeting and military aid to force it to investigate Trumps domestic rivals. Numerous figures, both inside and outside the government, applied this pressure. The normal Republican game is first to ignore all the evidence except the phone call, and then to interpret the edited transcript of the call in a wildly obtuse fashion so as to pretend that it does not also incriminate Trump. (As long as he does not use the words quid pro quo over the phone, theres no trade being implied.)
Thornberry tries to use this defense. He treats the phone call as if its the entirety of the case. But then, rather than insist the phone call was perfect, he concedes it was kinda bad. At that point, though, Thornberry pivots to pointing out that the call is no different than things Trump says in public all the time.
Thats true! Trump does solicit foreign countries to investigate his rivals in public all the time. Hes even declared that he has an absolute right to do the very thing hes being accused of. Of course he pressured Ukraine to smear his opponents. The sane interpretation of this fact pattern is to wonder what we are even debating here.
Instead, Thornberry works from the premise that the phone call is the entirety of the evidence, then argues that since theres also so much other evidence against Trump, we have to let him go.
Maybe if somebody was caught on tape ordering a murder, but also went around in public ordering his henchmen to commit murders, Thornberry believes they need to be set free. Or maybe hes merely the latest Republican to prove Trumps boast that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and wouldnt lose any support.
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Republican: You Can't Impeach Trump for a Crime He Does 'All the Time' [View all]
babylonsister
Nov 2019
OP
So a murderer is able to get away w/ murder because they do 'it' all of the time? What a..
SWBTATTReg
Nov 2019
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