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obamanut2012

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58. She can't sign a contract

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:24 PM

Jan 2012

Drive, buy cigarettes, sign up for Netflix, get a library card without a parent in many areas, get married (except in maybe two states, and only then with a parental okay), buy a beer, vote, see an R-rated movie, drop out of school, join the military, go to Canada alone, buy an adult magazine, adopt a pet, work, etc.

She was being raped by a 30-year-old man, and no, it wasn't a consensual relationship, BECAUSE SHE WAS ONLY FOURTEEN.

I don't think you even know what the "Age of Reason" is. I do. It's when the Catholic Church says a child can start participating in the Sacraments, especially Communion and Confession, and when a child has certain moral obligations. This age is usually between seven and eight.

I had no idea Canon Law had superseded US law. Link to this happening?

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A closing thought on the matter of the 14 year old deported to Colombia . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 OP

Absolutely jberryhill Jan 2012 #1

Need help, anyone still awake Scairp Jan 2012 #122

There are many wrongs in this world jberryhill Jan 2012 #123

No kidding. nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #2

Like it or not, the fact that she lied is a salient fact here. There's no way around it. RZM Jan 2012 #3

I disagree. She is a 14 year old US citizen. All else is secondary. Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #4

"...and let the chruch say AMEN." Ecumenist Jan 2012 #18

Wait Wait ..... I'm having a "Crystal Gail Magnum" moment here FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #32

No it's not. She gave a emilyg Jan 2012 #86

She didn't give false fingerprints obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #96

the fingerprints told nothing. nothing came up. she lied to the judge roguevalley Jan 2012 #119

You use fingerprints obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #129

the name she gave did come up but the finger prints did not match ThomThom Jan 2012 #136

they took fingerprints and nothing came up. she lied to a judge who she roguevalley Jan 2012 #118

No, it isn't. It may be news to you, but teenagers lie. EFerrari Jan 2012 #5

Did I say that it absolves them of anything? RZM Jan 2012 #7

I would say it doesn't absolve them from ANY custodial care for anyone in their "care". Alameda Jan 2012 #8

Wow Scairp Jan 2012 #13

How am I throwing mud RZM Jan 2012 #14

I think a 14 year old versus a federal agency Cerridwen Jan 2012 #19

You are utterly WRONG Scairp Jan 2012 #29

At 14, that's at an age of reason treestar Jan 2012 #20

I'm pretty sure being deported to Columbia Cerridwen Jan 2012 #28

What about telling the truth about who you are? treestar Jan 2012 #41

You said she needed to be taught a lesson. Cerridwen Jan 2012 #44

False, I did not say that treestar Jan 2012 #77

Please Scairp Jan 2012 #34

All she had to do was say who she was treestar Jan 2012 #42

Um yes it is Scairp Jan 2012 #50

there actually is some responsibility assigned to juveniles treestar Jan 2012 #78

She didn't skip school for christssake Scairp Jan 2012 #85

The onus of both responsibility and consequence lies with the adult. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #98

She can't sign a contract obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #58

WTH? treestar Jan 2012 #80

Are you kidding? Scairp Jan 2012 #87

It's shocking you even ask this obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #95

Total bullshit Scairp Jan 2012 #38

Good post obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #52

Thank you n/t Scairp Jan 2012 #88

so do i noiretextatique Jan 2012 #109

i'd suggest ICE would've been more careful about a white child CreekDog Jan 2012 #53

See post #62 n/t RZM Jan 2012 #65

you're so upset that someone would DARE suggest this might be the result of racism CreekDog Jan 2012 #67

I don't think you get it RZM Jan 2012 #70

No, I was just pointing out the facts of the case CreekDog Jan 2012 #71

Allow me to quote you RZM Jan 2012 #72

I wondered if those who defend ICE would be saying something different if she were white CreekDog Jan 2012 #73

Ok here's an answer RZM Jan 2012 #74

Don't forget I was also pointing out what really upset you --the idea someone got called racist CreekDog Jan 2012 #75

You're not supposed to call other DUers racists RZM Jan 2012 #76

I did no such thing CreekDog Jan 2012 #79

I can show you racism Scairp Jan 2012 #115

It wouldn't have happened to a white girl obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #69

spot on! Marrah_G Jan 2012 #103

Same agency SixthSense Jan 2012 #6

Thank you, Stinky! obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #9

And THAT'S a true story pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #10

Short of barcoding, rfid chipping, mandatory photo id for everyone or a national Burge Jan 2012 #11

Um, that's why they take and CHECK fingerprints....No excuse whatsoever. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #16

What you said. neverforget Jan 2012 #21

Were her fingerprints (or those of the woman she claimed to be) on file? WillowTree Jan 2012 #26

The fact that the woman who's identity she took on was due to be deported Ecumenist Jan 2012 #33

No way, not credible --if they couldn't verify who she was, they could've compared it to CreekDog Jan 2012 #54

Other then she is 100% Responsible for what happened FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #12

They were punked by a 14 year old? Cerridwen Jan 2012 #22

"Experienced and educated adults couldn't handle a 14 year old" FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #31

"...she's not done playing people." Cerridwen Jan 2012 #35

3 words - "Crystal Gail Magnum" FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #40

Wow. Just wow. Cerridwen Jan 2012 #43

Nothing prejudice about it - just the facts FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #47

she's 14 noiretextatique Jan 2012 #110

Sometimes its best to use ignore and keep your sanity Marrah_G Jan 2012 #104

Truly disgusting. ceile Jan 2012 #108

A 14 year old who lies about her age and engages in sex with a 52 years old man is also 100% respons LanternWaste Jan 2012 #101

Amazingly her Mother seeks to Profit by several Lawsuits FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #102

seems rather irrelevant to the question at hand... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #113

I wonder when the the lawyers will be unleashed?? Ecumenist Jan 2012 #15

Hehe RZM Jan 2012 #49

glad you think it's funny CreekDog Jan 2012 #57

I bet you're absolutely right. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #63

I agree, but her lying about who she was treestar Jan 2012 #17

I think it shows ICE to be incompetent because neverforget Jan 2012 #23

Yeah. treestar Jan 2012 #25

She didn't "fake being an illegal alien." stranger81 Jan 2012 #90

And possibly a false name fed to her to say? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #97

What's even worse about this Texasgal Jan 2012 #24

What about the family faling her as well? RZM Jan 2012 #51

Obviously they have failed her. Texasgal Jan 2012 #56

I'd bet the farm RZM Jan 2012 #68

nice stereotype CreekDog Jan 2012 #91

That's a BIG leap Marrah_G Jan 2012 #105

Why do you think that? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #106

Because she ran away and really didn't want to come back RZM Jan 2012 #107

I read a press account where her grandmother indicated that the girl was upset at the death of two Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #134

UPDATE: Texas teen deported to Colombia could return soon--AP pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #27

What I'd like to know is Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #30

Well Art, you how all us "colored" people look alike. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #37

That doesn't really answer my questions Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #39

Don't know Scairp Jan 2012 #45

I'm only partially kidding. The world is VERY differnt for people like me than it is Ecumenist Jan 2012 #55

Most any middle school teacher could've sorted this one out on lunch duty. hunter Jan 2012 #36

And if it happened in 2006 instead of 2011, there would have been calls for Bush's impeachment. n/t 24601 Jan 2012 #46

she's a black, American child and some people are defending what happened to her CreekDog Jan 2012 #48

EXACTLY. That's what I was telling someone else earlier in the thread.... Ecumenist Jan 2012 #59

She can't speak Spanish either... think Jan 2012 #60

Here's the thing about that Scairp Jan 2012 #120

What the hell? RZM Jan 2012 #62

you're more upset that I suggested this was partly the result of prejudice... CreekDog Jan 2012 #64

Wrong. I'm irritated you suggested that people on this thread care more about white kids RZM Jan 2012 #66

+1000 Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #84

AWE COME ON!!! America doesn't have a history of doing stupid shit to mniorities... uponit7771 Jan 2012 #112

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2012 #61

Hey Stinky! Peter Daou tweeted this! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #81

Bravo! Emphatic K&R. Someone's ass needs to be in a sling over this - n/t coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #82

So just because she's 14... Quartermass Jan 2012 #83

No one said that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #93

Actually that IS exactly what is being said. Quartermass Jan 2012 #116

Nope, no one said what you claimed obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #128

Then you guys should stop the hyperbole and recognize the fact that the girl Quartermass Jan 2012 #133

she should pay for whatever crime she committed noiretextatique Jan 2012 #111

Agree about there being no excuse for DHS/ICE. Something else that stood out for me suffragette Jan 2012 #89

I also was thinking along these lines obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #94

It looks like she had already been using that name in working as a DJ suffragette Jan 2012 #100

The girl lied, which, sorry Stinky, is part of the story. But... justiceischeap Jan 2012 #92

I'm still wanting to know how she even got basic Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #99

Exactly nt Taverner Jan 2012 #114

Question: Do blonde haired blue eyed people get deported as much as brown people? firehorse Jan 2012 #117

She told them she was Colombian. Edweird Jan 2012 #121

Her grandmother was a victim of ICE's actions too. boston bean Jan 2012 #127

FWIW, She is back in the US now n/t Tsiyu Jan 2012 #124

It'll be interesting to find out the whole story obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #131

Crazy people try to get themselves deported pretty regularly Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2012 #125

I agree that they acted hastily, BUT SoCalDem Jan 2012 #126

Best post of the day and I missed it. mrs_p Jan 2012 #130

So True! Justice wanted Jan 2012 #132

when the finger prints didn't match they should have call ThomThom Jan 2012 #135