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Showing Original Post only (View all)There's a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office [View all]
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/12/path-to-removing-donald-trump-from-office-229911
It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot. Its not hard to imagine what would happen then.
By JULEANNA GLOVER November 12, 2019
Juleanna Glover has worked as an adviser for several Republican politicians, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Rudy Giuliani, and advised the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Jeb Bush.
By most everyones judgment, the Senate will not vote to remove President Donald Trump from office if the House impeaches him. But what if senators could vote on impeachment by secret ballot? If they didnt have to face backlash from constituents or the media or the president himself, who knows how many Republican senators would vote to remove?
A secret impeachment ballot might sound crazy, but its actually quite possible. In fact, it would take only three senators to allow for that possibility.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said he will immediately move to hold a trial to adjudicate the articles of impeachment if and when the Senate receives them from the House of Representatives. Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution does not set many parameters for the trial, except to say that the Chief Justice shall preside, and no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. That means the Senate has sole authority to draft its own rules for the impeachment trial, without judicial or executive branch oversight.
During the last impeachment of a president, Bill Clinton, the rules were hammered out by Democrats and Republicans in a collaborative process, as then Senate leaders Trent Lott and Tom Daschle recently pointed out in a Washington Post op-ed. The rules passed unanimously. Thats unlikely this time, given the polarization that now defines our politics. McConnell and his fellow Republicans are much more likely to dictate the rules with little input from Democrats.
But, according to current Senate procedure, McConnell will still need a simple majority51 of the 53 Senate Republicansto support any resolution outlining rules governing the trial. That means that if only three Republican senators were to break from the caucus, they could block any rule they didnt like. (Vice President Mike Pence cant break ties in impeachment matters.) Those three senators, in turn, could demand a secret ballot and condition their approval of the rest of the rules on getting one.
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It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot. Its not hard to imagine what would happen then.
By JULEANNA GLOVER November 12, 2019
Juleanna Glover has worked as an adviser for several Republican politicians, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Rudy Giuliani, and advised the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Jeb Bush.
By most everyones judgment, the Senate will not vote to remove President Donald Trump from office if the House impeaches him. But what if senators could vote on impeachment by secret ballot? If they didnt have to face backlash from constituents or the media or the president himself, who knows how many Republican senators would vote to remove?
A secret impeachment ballot might sound crazy, but its actually quite possible. In fact, it would take only three senators to allow for that possibility.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said he will immediately move to hold a trial to adjudicate the articles of impeachment if and when the Senate receives them from the House of Representatives. Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution does not set many parameters for the trial, except to say that the Chief Justice shall preside, and no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. That means the Senate has sole authority to draft its own rules for the impeachment trial, without judicial or executive branch oversight.
During the last impeachment of a president, Bill Clinton, the rules were hammered out by Democrats and Republicans in a collaborative process, as then Senate leaders Trent Lott and Tom Daschle recently pointed out in a Washington Post op-ed. The rules passed unanimously. Thats unlikely this time, given the polarization that now defines our politics. McConnell and his fellow Republicans are much more likely to dictate the rules with little input from Democrats.
But, according to current Senate procedure, McConnell will still need a simple majority51 of the 53 Senate Republicansto support any resolution outlining rules governing the trial. That means that if only three Republican senators were to break from the caucus, they could block any rule they didnt like. (Vice President Mike Pence cant break ties in impeachment matters.) Those three senators, in turn, could demand a secret ballot and condition their approval of the rest of the rules on getting one.
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Dennis Donovan
Nov 2019
OP
That's interesting, but the GOP is now a full blown cult so it would never happen.
Vinca
Nov 2019
#1
Our nation is in the initial grip of Fascism. The new Fuhrer has taken up residence as we slept.
olegramps
Nov 2019
#14
I agree, but isn't it a sad day when elected officials don't have the character to honor the truth.
olegramps
Nov 2019
#47
republican senators need to see protests. we can't accept the 'let the voters decide' bullshit
certainot
Nov 2019
#35
It would be so nice if writers bringing forth notions like this just did a cursory reading
Maru Kitteh
Nov 2019
#37
The GOP has changed so much over the years. Today, they have no conscience and I think really do not
RKP5637
Nov 2019
#6
The other path is for 35 republicans not be "present" to vote and let the democrats be
uponit7771
Nov 2019
#9
technically, yes, but not sure that lets them escape republican primary wrath....
unblock
Nov 2019
#11
I think that's why the author suggested it would be the ones not up for re-election ...
Pacifist Patriot
Nov 2019
#25
First, Democrats won't support secrecy. Second, Republicans who want to protect Trump
onenote
Nov 2019
#31
No. The assumption of the article in the OP is that the Democrats want to make it a secret vote
onenote
Nov 2019
#41
Interesting, but it would be very dangerous to remove a sitting president by secret ballot
StarfishSaver
Nov 2019
#24
The specific provision about recording votes overrides any more general authority to keep the
onenote
Nov 2019
#44