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Dennis Donovan

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Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:00 AM Nov 2019

There's a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office [View all]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/12/path-to-removing-donald-trump-from-office-229911

It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot. It’s not hard to imagine what would happen then.

By JULEANNA GLOVER November 12, 2019

Juleanna Glover has worked as an adviser for several Republican politicians, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Rudy Giuliani, and advised the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Jeb Bush.

By most everyone’s judgment, the Senate will not vote to remove President Donald Trump from office if the House impeaches him. But what if senators could vote on impeachment by secret ballot? If they didn’t have to face backlash from constituents or the media or the president himself, who knows how many Republican senators would vote to remove?

A secret impeachment ballot might sound crazy, but it’s actually quite possible. In fact, it would take only three senators to allow for that possibility.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said he will immediately move to hold a trial to adjudicate the articles of impeachment if and when the Senate receives them from the House of Representatives. Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution does not set many parameters for the trial, except to say that “the Chief Justice shall preside,” and “no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.” That means the Senate has sole authority to draft its own rules for the impeachment trial, without judicial or executive branch oversight.

During the last impeachment of a president, Bill Clinton, the rules were hammered out by Democrats and Republicans in a collaborative process, as then Senate leaders Trent Lott and Tom Daschle recently pointed out in a Washington Post op-ed. The rules passed unanimously. That’s unlikely this time, given the polarization that now defines our politics. McConnell and his fellow Republicans are much more likely to dictate the rules with little input from Democrats.

But, according to current Senate procedure, McConnell will still need a simple majority—51 of the 53 Senate Republicans—to support any resolution outlining rules governing the trial. That means that if only three Republican senators were to break from the caucus, they could block any rule they didn’t like. (Vice President Mike Pence can’t break ties in impeachment matters.) Those three senators, in turn, could demand a secret ballot and condition their approval of the rest of the rules on getting one.

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That's interesting, but the GOP is now a full blown cult so it would never happen. Vinca Nov 2019 #1
Our nation is in the initial grip of Fascism. The new Fuhrer has taken up residence as we slept. olegramps Nov 2019 #14
I often share your pessimism (n/t) PJMcK Nov 2019 #36
Most of the Republican Senators would love to have a secret vote. Teach-only-love Nov 2019 #23
I agree, but isn't it a sad day when elected officials don't have the character to honor the truth. olegramps Nov 2019 #47
Great idea, but how to get it to the powers that be. patricia92243 Nov 2019 #2
If McConnell has a trial at all... Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #3
republican senators need to see protests. we can't accept the 'let the voters decide' bullshit certainot Nov 2019 #35
good to have dreams, but this will never happen beachbumbob Nov 2019 #4
Nope. Article I, Section 5 of the US Constitution: onenote Nov 2019 #5
Thank goodness Democrats are not going to vote for secrecy. crickets Nov 2019 #13
It would be so nice if writers bringing forth notions like this just did a cursory reading Maru Kitteh Nov 2019 #37
The GOP has changed so much over the years. Today, they have no conscience and I think really do not RKP5637 Nov 2019 #6
"prisoner's dilemma" brooklynite Nov 2019 #7
Primaried? I'm not sure it wouldn't be fatal, with the armed crazies. Nt lostnfound Nov 2019 #8
That only applies to the ones running for office again. whopis01 Nov 2019 #17
The other path is for 35 republicans not be "present" to vote and let the democrats be uponit7771 Nov 2019 #9
technically, yes, but not sure that lets them escape republican primary wrath.... unblock Nov 2019 #11
this presumes every democrat would go for it unblock Nov 2019 #10
Not sure I agree with the OP article Layzeebeaver Nov 2019 #12
I think that's why the author suggested it would be the ones not up for re-election ... Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #25
Yup. That's about it. Layzeebeaver Nov 2019 #39
Hmmm. Lacking 3 retiring Repub senators, it could still happen Hortensis Nov 2019 #15
twenty members can force the vote to be public, so this will never happen. onenote Nov 2019 #18
Why? WE wouldn't require it. Republican senators would benefit. Hortensis Nov 2019 #27
First, Democrats won't support secrecy. Second, Republicans who want to protect Trump onenote Nov 2019 #31
Of course we would! In a heartbeat. We allowed Nixon to resign Hortensis Nov 2019 #38
There are 53 Republican Senators onenote Nov 2019 #40
Okay, there's validity to that certainly. Hortensis Nov 2019 #42
Bookmarked orangecrush Nov 2019 #16
Most interesting. calimary Nov 2019 #19
Bitchy Mitchy is like Mrs. Baylock from The Omen sandensea Nov 2019 #20
So the party that leaks wants to vote in private? bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #21
No. The assumption of the article in the OP is that the Democrats want to make it a secret vote onenote Nov 2019 #41
Wishful thinking at best. Firestorm49 Nov 2019 #22
Interesting, but it would be very dangerous to remove a sitting president by secret ballot StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #24
I wonder if Glover typed the last eight words with a straight face. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #26
Yeah, that would go over real well Baked Potato Nov 2019 #28
How About if Chief Justice Roberts Declares the Voting Secret? Bob Munck Nov 2019 #29
He has no such authority. onenote Nov 2019 #32
Article I Section 5 Paragraph 3 Bob Munck Nov 2019 #43
The specific provision about recording votes overrides any more general authority to keep the onenote Nov 2019 #44
I think having them on record is important to taking back the Senate tinrobot Nov 2019 #30
This thing of so many R senators would vote to convict if it was a secret ballot is complete Horse$h Cosmocat Nov 2019 #33
Presently, I remain unconvinced. BadGimp Nov 2019 #34
If it were up to me, Qutzupalotl Nov 2019 #45
Be careful what you wish for (seriously) Mike Niendorff Nov 2019 #46
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