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70. That would have been better. n/t

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Do y'all really have any idea how devastating it is for LGBT Democrats to see Cardinal Dolan [View all] Zorra Sep 2012 OP

I am shaking my head about that. Cleita Sep 2012 #1

Thank you, Cleita. Zorra Sep 2012 #2

The DNC IS sensitive Doctor_J Sep 2012 #8

Obama NEEDS the Pennsylvania & Ohio white male catholic votes if he can get any. _Liann_ Sep 2012 #51

And exactly how many PA and OH voters have demanded this? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #74

Pandering to bigots in order to get elected. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #97

Yep. Pandering to bigots to get elected npk Sep 2012 #146

'Pandering' implies promising or giving something for his cooperation. randome Sep 2012 #148

..... obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #214

Couldn't we get the "Nuns on the bus" to do the prayer?? n/t Rectangle Sep 2012 #65

That would have been better. n/t Cleita Sep 2012 #70

Our tent is big enough for bigots and racists...it always has been...but we don't support them!!! n nanabugg Sep 2012 #83

If he does speak out against LGBT people or LGBT rights, he should be booed. GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #3

Thus far, his vitriol gets him elevated in his organization and at the DNC.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #44

He is giving a prayer not a speech. former9thward Sep 2012 #55

"he prays daily that President Obama will work to limit marriage to unions of one man and one woman. Zorra Sep 2012 #67

Skip it. They're on a roll. randome Sep 2012 #68

What the hell does that mean? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #177

Telling the ungrateful queers to sit down and shut the fuck up is a cherished DU tradition. QC Sep 2012 #190

Who is "they"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #216

He did that very thing in his prayer last night obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #215

If he does speak out against LGBT people or LGBT rights, he should be booed. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #75

His "prayer" DID speak out against LGBT and women's rights obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #213

You'd think Obama learned from the Rick Warren fiasco at the inauguration riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #4

I would have thought that too. I was amazed when I heard earlier he had been selected. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2012 #80

I shake my head at the necessity of a Christian prayer DefenseLawyer Sep 2012 #5

Yeah exactly treestar Sep 2012 #18

I'm with you on this one matt819 Sep 2012 #19

Indeed! nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #210

Without appeasing the gods we run the risk of a bad harvest 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #98

I'm a woman, so yes I do Warpy Sep 2012 #6

+1 nt laundry_queen Sep 2012 #112

Not to mention nuns!! n/t eridani Sep 2012 #179

You need to face the fact that the prez Doctor_J Sep 2012 #7

Get a grip. Obama is not a conservadem. He advocates for marriage equality. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #21

The DNC is doing the work of Willard dbackjon Sep 2012 #28

No the DNC is not, but you are doing the work of Willard. nt SunSeeker Sep 2012 #43

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION dbackjon Sep 2012 #59

I'm not married, and you need to chill demwing Sep 2012 #79

I didn't ask you, and no, not everyone is friendly to equality here at DU dbackjon Sep 2012 #135

and you are an extremely negative person demwing Sep 2012 #187

When you spend your life being told you are a pervert dbackjon Sep 2012 #191

You KNOW the Democratic Platform includes full support for Gay marriage demwing Sep 2012 #203

Direct your venom to Dolan, not me or the DNC. Sheesh. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #110

Dolan is another bigot allowed to be there because straight Democrats accept that and expect Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #119

So...hate the haters? Isn't that counter-productive? randome Sep 2012 #120

Yes, hate the haters dbackjon Sep 2012 #140

"Fight fire with fire" just ensures that everyone gets burned. randome Sep 2012 #145

What kind of thinking? dbackjon Sep 2012 #147

The Democratic platform says otherwise. randome Sep 2012 #150

While I was happy with that, it seems that the DNC always finds a way to rain on our parade dbackjon Sep 2012 #153

Can't argue with that. randome Sep 2012 #155

Dems, straight and gay, reject a LOT of Catholic teachings, as the Dem platform states. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #130

So you are ready to blame the gays if Obama loses? dbackjon Sep 2012 #138

If it makes you feel any better, he will be reminding hedgehog Sep 2012 #9

You could say... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #25

The guy puts the former in my former Catholicism. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #30

I beg to differ with your claim that Catholics are more supportive than other Christian traditions GObamaGO Sep 2012 #192

You are correct; I think in polls the UCC gets lumped in with "Protestants" in general! hedgehog Sep 2012 #195

Bishops and above (and I would venture to say some priests) GObamaGO Sep 2012 #198

Dolan is a miserable choice to give the benediction at MineralMan Sep 2012 #10

It's not "the" benediction, it's one blessing of several from religious leaders. pnwmom Sep 2012 #17

Neutralizing Republican speakers abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #33

Will they invite those guys who threw peanuts at the minorities as well? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #47

Save it, bnw Doctor_J Sep 2012 #57

Maybe they should invite Wayne LaPierre too Doctor_J Sep 2012 #61

Let the Republicans have Dolan's endorsement, homophobes will vote for them anyways Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #77

Exactly. Honor a good, liberal, human rights advocating cleric by inviting her/him to pray. Zorra Sep 2012 #96

It is a really, really bad choice. Who's doing the vetting for these things? marmar Sep 2012 #11

Sigh leftynyc Sep 2012 #12

Don't want to insult the few Catholics who agree with him Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #20

He knows he can piss off the LGBT community and get away with it, get their votes and money. In kelly1mm Sep 2012 #29

Didn't he learn from 2010? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #31

Do you have a source for that stat? Not challenging you, I just never heard that before. nt kelly1mm Sep 2012 #37

It was fairly widely reported at the time. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #100

So it's perfectly fine to insult the LGBT community, but not Catholics? Zorra Sep 2012 #42

That's so funny, upthread we are told that Catholics don't care for Dolan...that they all dig Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #49

I don't have to pick anything leftynyc Sep 2012 #185

none of the catholics I know would be offended, except those who are already voting for Romney fishwax Sep 2012 #52

as a straight person and former catholic i find your premise to be fucking insulting frylock Sep 2012 #117

Tough leftynyc Sep 2012 #184

fuck those thin-skinned shit lumps.. frylock Sep 2012 #204

What Catholics? Kerry? Biden? Sister Simone? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #218

No - the middle aged ones in WI, MI, PA, VA, IA, NH leftynyc Sep 2012 #225

In other words, the courage of your convictions are far outweighed by what Fox News would report LanternWaste Sep 2012 #228

Don't put words in my mouth leftynyc Sep 2012 #236

Even if he goes nowhere near the subject of GLBT civil rights, he is a terrible choice. cbayer Sep 2012 #13

We let torturers walk freely among us and let criminal banks run everything just1voice Sep 2012 #14

It makes me sick rbrnmw Sep 2012 #15

I can't stand Dolan but I'm glad he's going to be there doing his little blessing. pnwmom Sep 2012 #16

+10000000000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SunSeeker Sep 2012 #22

It still sucks.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #23

Then why not invite one of the hundreds of liberal catholics? Doctor_J Sep 2012 #60

So, you don't care if the LGBT community is hurt, we are not worthy human beings anyway, in your Zorra Sep 2012 #63

This action neutered Dolan. pnwmom Sep 2012 #114

Except he wasn;t, he spewed anti gaya nd women rhetoric obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #219

I didn't listen to him drone on. Do you have a link to the objectionable quotes? pnwmom Sep 2012 #235

Here is a link to a good summary and a link is provided - DURHAM D Sep 2012 #237

Thank you! When I hear this part: pnwmom Sep 2012 #240

They could have found a more progressive Catholic. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #71

A better way to take the wind out of their sails, would have been to refuse to join sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #82

Yeah and there wasn't one other Catholic they could have used... SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #85

Couldn't they have found someone other than a bigot??????? bigwillq Sep 2012 #92

There are very few non-bigots in the ultra-religious camp. randome Sep 2012 #94

IMO, they could've found a better choice (nt) bigwillq Sep 2012 #95

There are plenty of non-bigots who are Catholics and who better represent the majority sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #137

Someone needs to find out before making assumptions. randome Sep 2012 #142

No, it makes it look like Democrats are afraid to stand up for their own principles. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #151

The number of speakers at the DNC who DO believe in equal rights far outnumber Dolan. randome Sep 2012 #154

Clearly you are just one of those who hate causing waves "its just a prayer"!! riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #178

Yeah, Bishop Gene Robinson comes to mind. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #108

They will not get a dime from me bigwillq Sep 2012 #127

I still donate to individual candidates... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #166

That's fine with me. bigwillq Sep 2012 #170

Any one of the Nuns on the Bus would have been... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #107

Sr. Simone Campbell has a much larger role, as an actual speaker. pnwmom Sep 2012 #115

Good. Still, Dolan should not be anywhere near the DNC... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #165

Dolan believes in social welfare , which is part of the platform. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #167

Then find a religious figure who believes in social welfare, LGBT equality, WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #168

There are several leaders giving blessings, and I'm sure they include pnwmom Sep 2012 #171

My specs are the Democratic Party's specs, WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #173

I have to admit I do not and never will. Rex Sep 2012 #24

They have to stop doing this crap wryter2000 Sep 2012 #26

She would be great eridani Sep 2012 #180

No kidding? wryter2000 Sep 2012 #206

I'm going to have to go about re-establishing those social connections-- eridani Sep 2012 #211

As a former catholic (if I even CAN be), of course HockeyMom Sep 2012 #27

It bugs the hell out of me Aerows Sep 2012 #32

I totally get it. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #34

All of us are with you on this Zorra unionthug Sep 2012 #35

Thanks, unionthug, and welcome to DU! Zorra Sep 2012 #66

Dolan member of 3 organized crime sex rape-gangs with 180 known felony offender close associates _Liann_ Sep 2012 #36

He's also complaining about Obama's "war on Religion" and suing Obamacare over birth control. _Liann_ Sep 2012 #38

And he loses on all of those. And everyone knows it. randome Sep 2012 #69

Is NOM�s Brian Brown Standing With Cardinal Dolan Against Church Child Rape Victims? Raster Sep 2012 #194

GOP is the RAPE-Party: RepublicansForRape.org _Liann_ Sep 2012 #205

CNN article okieinpain Sep 2012 #39

WTF?!?!? Sick, sick, sick, sick!!!!! citizen blues Sep 2012 #40

Aw yes let's find as many ways as possible to divide us. zeemike Sep 2012 #41

Politicians are good at it. Can't let us discuss our common interests leftstreet Sep 2012 #45

It's the folks who put the gay-bashing priest on the bill that are dividing us Doctor_J Sep 2012 #58

You mean the Catholic democrats?...like Biden? zeemike Sep 2012 #118

Why choose one who is outspokenly anti-gay and anti-poor? Doctor_J Sep 2012 #123

Well then go ahead don;t show up...that will show them. zeemike Sep 2012 #169

Oh, bullshit. Trivializing this by implying that I posted this to divide Democrats is juvenile. Zorra Sep 2012 #88

No I am sure you did not post it for that reason. zeemike Sep 2012 #113

Do you think we should also have various 'thoughts on the subject Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #129

Yes. The hypocrisy of this rampant double standard is absolutely maddening. Some individuals Zorra Sep 2012 #159

What basic human rights did that bishop deny you? zeemike Sep 2012 #163

It should be devasting for ANY Democrat to see it leftstreet Sep 2012 #46

I agree -- I HATE it. Dolan is a vile POS, period. The only thing Dems should do with him is MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #48

Shameful that we let any enemy of human rights speak at the convention. jobycom Sep 2012 #50

Yes, I have the same idea LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #53

I hear you, Zorra. It's disgraceful. fishwax Sep 2012 #54

Dolan will be at the convention? Renew Deal Sep 2012 #56

K&R. nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #62

Another liar, another ignorant hate monger. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #64

Yeah and Colbert loves O'Reilly too SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #81

Yes, I do 'fucking realize'. Are you aware of Steve's off camera doings this month? Of course not. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #109

I thought surely this was Onionesque, but nooooooooo..... Raster Sep 2012 #196

I note your silence when faced with what Stevie does for a buck on the side.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #161

Just like Donnie McClurkin singing at Obama campaign stops in 2008.... WeRQ4U Sep 2012 #72

and a slap in the face to unions it's being held in a right to work state in a non-union hotel leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #73

self d'lete Bucky Sep 2012 #76

I agree with everything you said. Thanks for saying what many of us have been thinking. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #78

Dolan did the benediction at the RNC and there was a big flap about taking sides. Zen Democrat Sep 2012 #84

Zorra, I am a straight man... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #86

Dolan and his ilk are LOSING. Big time. randome Sep 2012 #87

We don't want him on our side, bigots do not belong anywhere near the Democratic Party Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #99

I doubt Obama would do this just to piss off people. randome Sep 2012 #101

I can't stop him from praying in church but I sure as hell ain't going to attend his church Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #102

I can't argue with your position. I see it all too clearly. randome Sep 2012 #103

The Obama campaign is usually very smart, but they do screw up sometimes Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #105

K and R bigwillq Sep 2012 #89

I am extremely upset that this was done. stevenleser Sep 2012 #90

k&r Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #91

It does hurt. Alduin Sep 2012 #93

Rec! progressoid Sep 2012 #104

Why not ask someone from the KKK to give the benediction? nichomachus Sep 2012 #106

there was`t a liberal catholic priest? madrchsod Sep 2012 #111

And Durbin was on FOX saying "Democrats are not godless!" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #116

I'm always relieved when I remember that DU is not real life. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #121

The greatest strength of the Democratic Party has been its willingness to pay attention sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #132

People just like you told Martin Luther King and the black community to STFU back in the 50's Zorra Sep 2012 #139

You said it better than I did, but that is exactly what is happening. Talk about being on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #158

YOU KNOW IT, ZORRA Skittles Sep 2012 #182

Gay people are a part of all those other groups you list. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #202

+1 treestar Sep 2012 #222

Dump the chump. JohnnyLib2 Sep 2012 #122

Thank you all so very much your sincere empathy and support. Zorra Sep 2012 #124

It might do some good to find out why this decision was made in the first place. randome Sep 2012 #126

As a former NY catholic, HockeyMom Sep 2012 #125

The Democratic party has made it very clear by their latform. Dolan is irrelevent still_one Sep 2012 #128

A passive-aggressive coup! randome Sep 2012 #131

didn't think of it that way but that is brillant still_one Sep 2012 #144

A few of us do. Iggo Sep 2012 #133

Square. Peg. Round. Hole. ThatsMyBarack Sep 2012 #134

Why the hell does a political event require a "closing prayer" anyway? RedCappedBandit Sep 2012 #136

Somebody really screwed up Omaha Steve Sep 2012 #141

Kick! sarcasmo Sep 2012 #143

I think they had a Greek Orthodox Priest do the Invocation.... KoKo Sep 2012 #149

It's very complicated. I don't like Dolan myself but remember gays aren't the only people Obama southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #152

Jared's speaking now librarylu Sep 2012 #156

Every one on DU would be horrified if a KKK type xchrom Sep 2012 #157

It is shameless pandering to mythical "Moderate Independents". Odin2005 Sep 2012 #160

Definitely disappointing. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #162

Let's get someone else! ThatsMyBarack Sep 2012 #164

It's a pathetic choice, Zorra. It's great to see so many DUers stepping up and echoing bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #172

You really think the majority of LGBT Dems care about this? SpartanDem Sep 2012 #174

I don't know... JoeyT Sep 2012 #175

I thought that maybe they would have heard us after the innauguration Marrah_G Sep 2012 #176

My view on this particular prayer is different than the inaugural prayer. Ms. Toad Sep 2012 #181

K&R Jamastiene Sep 2012 #183

More Obama appeasement. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #186

'08 redeux pecwae Sep 2012 #188

kick QC Sep 2012 #189

K&R...I don't understand their thinking on this except pandering and a sticking in the eye.. KoKo Sep 2012 #193

Just one more slap in the face to the LGBT community. AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #197

Clint Eastwood being pro-choice, and pro Marriage equality probably Bluerthanblue Sep 2012 #199

And Dolan will probably do the same thing to Obama that Eastwood did to Romney. jobycom Sep 2012 #209

Why isn't there am outspoken racist speaking? The Link Sep 2012 #200

Agree but we need Catholic votes. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #201

So why not invite the KKK, and get more Southern white votes. jobycom Sep 2012 #208

There are plenty of ordained RC clergy that are not publicly... Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #233

Pride at Work is passing along the concerns LGBT have on this! Omaha Steve Sep 2012 #207

Recommended and kicked. William769 Sep 2012 #212

Well now, don't you feel silly Capt. Obvious Sep 2012 #217

Yep, a disgusting end to an otherwise glorious event. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #221

A very divisive and upsetting end to a glorious week obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #223

Thank God Dolan didn't show up at the Republican convention... hunter Sep 2012 #220

He was at the RNC obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #224

Ugh. hunter Sep 2012 #227

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #226

"I know you guys are an integral part of this party now, but..." yardwork Sep 2012 #238

I said Navl Sep 2012 #241

" If they tried to please everybody all the time they would end up chasing their tails DURHAM D Sep 2012 #239

Question: Do you believe we can beat Vatican money, Mormon money DevonRex Sep 2012 #229

yes bigtree Sep 2012 #230

I'm neither gay nor a Democrat Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #231

Makes me sick to see ANY catholic official honored... polichick Sep 2012 #232

Absolutely right dogday Sep 2012 #244

Political expediency is one thing LanternWaste Sep 2012 #234

Reality escapes you. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #242

I'm a gay Democrat and an atheist. And I'm not devastated at all. Bolo Boffin Sep 2012 #243